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Its killing me to not jump in but when this poll is over I'm going to write a short story (very short) about the war and what we may see. If anyone would care to help I'd be thankful.

if bashir and his genetic freaks were right and the dominion could occupy the ufp but would be removed after a couple of decades via an insurgency,surely the RSE and KE wouldnt acheive any more?

I'm curious as to why people are voting for the KE/RSE alliance. Any particular reasoning?

While there are no canon maps almost all non canon and backstage maps would put the combined RSE and KE at least 30% larger than the Federation. That would point at greater industrial power.

Add to that the fact that you said the RSE planned for this war and to a lesser extent the KE did as well. I'd say it would be damn close with the RSE/KE alliance winning in the end. Since the powers seem pretty much equal in fleets and industry it comes down to will power and skill. I think the alliance would win.

I don't think we would see an absolute victor where one group or the other is totally conquered. I do believe there would be massive casualties (more than Dominion War), and this would convince the Federation to yield territory. The Klingons, of course, would gain territory at the cost of at least half their fleet. The Romulans might be the real victors - particularly if they let the Klingons take much of the early damage and then consolidate their gains. In the end, I think it would be a draw with the Romulans being the strongest after the conflict.

One interesting thought. I can just see a small elite Federation task force of Galor class cruisers upgraded with tactical equipment similar to the Defiant and Sovreign classes. This task force would specialize in operating behind enemy lines and be under the command of Admiral Garak.

What shocks me is that someone voted for the RSE/KE to win by a long shot. But, I haven't heard any reason as to why.

Ha the poll looks perfectly balanced at the moment.

It seems to have come to a draw. I think I'm going to let this run for a while longer before making the call on it.

I would still like to see someone write out why they think either side would win "By a long shot".

While there are no canon maps almost all non canon and backstage maps would put the combined RSE and KE at least 30% larger than the Federation. That would point at greater industrial power.

Not really. We know that the KE has a serious lack of resources (as shown by the loss of a single mining colony crippling the entire empire), so if we assume Romulan space to be resource rich, then it'd be somewhat even.

Add to that the fact that you said the RSE planned for this war and to a lesser extent the KE did as well. I'd say it would be damn close with the RSE/KE alliance winning in the end. Since the powers seem pretty much equal in fleets and industry it comes down to will power and skill. I think the alliance would win.

You're forgetting that Federation warships are more powerful than Klingon/Romulan warships of comparable size. I'd say that that swings things slightly towards the Federation. It'd be bloody, but the UFP could fight them to a ceasefire.

While there are no canon maps almost all non canon and backstage maps would put the combined RSE and KE at least 30% larger than the Federation. That would point at greater industrial power.

Industrial might doesn't come from how much territory you have. The CU seemed to be pretty small by standard but when supplied by the Dominion, turned out to be a rather powerful force. Not a super power (being one of the Big Three) by any means but far stronger then they would have been on their own. Russia is large, so is China. But China is many times poorer in resource then Russia. The US is much much smaller then either but has a far stronger industrial base.

Territory, resource and industry are all separate matters.

Rochey wrote:Not really. We know that the KE has a serious lack of resources (as shown by the loss of a single mining colony crippling the entire empire), so if we assume Romulan space to be resource rich, then it'd be somewhat even.

We know that was the case in the late 23rd century, but by the mid 24th century the Klingons had a large enough industrial base that they could not only sustain, but win a 20-year war with the Federation, even when put up against purpose-built Fed battleships. Add in the fact that the Romulans have always been considered a significant threat in their own right, and you have abundant evidence that a Klingon/Romulan Alliance should have a significantly greater industrial base than the Federation, which would to an extent offset the Federation's technological superiority.

Then the question comes.

Could the UFP 20 years after the DW take one the RSE and the rebuilt KE?

Fair point, Seafort.
I guess the only real question left is that of numbers and power of ships. Without info on that, we can't really get to a conclusion.

Deepcrush wrote:The US is much much smaller then either but had a far stronger industrial base.

There we go; nice and fixed for you.

Why thank you.