War of the Week, KE/RSE vs UFP

[Deepcrush]

This is a post DW idea and includes the DITL battleship, Scimitar class and a growing number of Negh'vars.

I know this wouldn't happen but it's a fun thought for a war.

The UFP has become a massive power over the last 20 years. Never stepping down from its wartime footing the UFP has lived in fear of war with the RSE who is looking to take mainstage and increasing battles with the Borg. The CU has joined the UFP and now spends much of its time building ships for their combined fleets. The newer ships have protected the UFP to this point but now the time has come where either the UFP shows its teeth one last time or tuck its tail. The Dominion war, a painful memory of how the old and weaker SF suffered has most of the new generation swearing to never lose sight of the dangers this galaxy holds.

The KE is now at the point of power where they were at the start of the Dominion war. Their fleets rebuilt and their numbers refilled. Where Martok once thought of the UFP as his ally, he now hates them. The UFP's act of thinking that everyone must join has pushed the KE away and into the RSE's camp. The UFP now looks like a sleeping God of Old, waiting to awaken and devoure the KE. Once a proud and unbeatable race, the Klingons still well remember how their losses in the DW allowed the UFP to come out strong. Now is Klingons time to lay low the UFP and retake their place as the AQ's number one power.

The RSE now sees its time. The UFP has held them back for so many years. No matter how hard the RSE tried, the UFP always out matched them. Now is the time. The KE and the UFP are now turned against each other and need only a little push to start a war to rival history. The RSE now plays its whole deck of cards on victory against the UFP. Joining the RSE's power to the KE, this new alliance hopes to put down the young UFP before it's to late.

[Sionnach Glic]

What's the status of the UFP's fleet?

[Captain Seafort]

Fanwanked beyond belief - it's got the DITL Battleship!

[Deepcrush]

20 years of build up.

The Romulans have the Scimitars in numbers as do the Klingons with the Negh'vars.

[Deepcrush]

Fanwanked beyond belief - it's got the DITL Battleship!

I don't think its so bad. At least the Battleship makes more sense then the Prommie.

[Tsukiyumi]

I imagine if you showed a set of specs for the Yamato-class to a naval expert from 1880, they'd say that it looks like the most fanwanked fantasy ship they'd ever seen.

[Sionnach Glic]

20 years of build up.

The Romulans have the Scimitars in numbers as do the Klingons with the Negh'vars.

UFP victory, though barely and with heavy casualties, if they have someone competant at the helm during the reconstruction period and the war itself. The DITL Class Battleships are going to tear through entire fleets on their own.

[Captain Seafort]

I imagine if you showed a set of specs for the Yamato-class to a naval expert from 1880, they'd say that it looks like the most fanwanked fantasy ship they'd ever seen.

And they'd be absolutely right if you were planning to build the thing by 1820.

[Tsukiyumi]

I imagine if you showed a set of specs for the Yamato-class to a naval expert from 1880, they'd say that it looks like the most fanwanked fantasy ship they'd ever seen.

And they'd be absolutely right if you were planning to build the thing by 1820.

Hell, even in 1920, people would laugh at many of the features, armament only being one of them...

I really don't think the ship the polls have created is so over-the-top for the time period. It's well within the capability of the UFP to build, and aside from the phaser lance, uses off-the-shelf kit.

[Captain Seafort]

Hell, even in 1920, people would laugh at many of the features, armament only being one of them...

Not really - by 1920 most of the big naval powers were designing ships with an 18" main armament, and some had plans for 20" guns. The Washington Treaty only delayed the launch of such monsters, and limited their numbers to just Yamato and Mushashi.

I really don't think the ship the polls have created is so over-the-top for the time period. It's well within the capability of the UFP to build, and aside from the phaser lance, uses off-the-shelf kit.

It's off-the-shelf kit, but don't be kidded into thinking that that makes it realistic - the AGT E-D was fanwanked enough on its own, and our ship is a far more powerful design.

[Tsukiyumi]

Not really - by 1920 most of the big naval powers were designing ships with an 18" main armament, and some had plans for 20" guns. The Washington Treaty only delayed the launch of such monsters, and limited their numbers to just Yamato and Mushashi.

I think the concept of a 70,000 ton monster with a 28 knot top speed would've seemed at least improbable to most in 1920.

It's off-the-shelf kit, but don't be kidded into thinking that that makes it realistic - the AGT E-D was fanwanked enough on its own, and our ship is a far more powerful design.

The AGT ship was ridiculously refitted; this ship is designed as a monster from the get-go. I really don't see it as over-the-top. It's not like we added 52 phaser arrays, and 27 torpedo tubes...

[Deepcrush]

So far it looks like the UFP is in the lead. Soon we can hope for the reasons.

[Sionnach Glic]

There's a number of reasons the Federation would win over the Klingon/Romulan alliance.

The first being power.
We've seen that Federation ships are, generaly, more poweful than Klingon/Romulan ships of equivelant tonnage, despite having lots of space given over to non-combat equipment. Assuming a competant leader during the reconstruction era, I can see a few new warship designs cropping up. A federation ship completely dedicated to combat, such as a Prometheus or similar vessel, should be able to take out ships many times its size all on its own.

The next point is industrial capacity.
From what we've seen the Klingon Empire isn't very powerful on the resource front. The loss of a single mining colony threw the who empire into economic chaos. As such, destruction of a few key outposts and bases could possibly cause catastrophic damage to the Klingon war effort.
The Romulans we have little info on, but their numbers during the Dominion War (or, to be more accurate, lack thereof) indicates that they have a smaller fleet, possibly indicating a small industrial base.
The Federation, on the other hand, seems to have numerous planets rich in resources, and the capacity to construct at least 40 ships per year (going by the statement from BOBW).

The third point is numbers.
Every indication seems to point to Starfleet being more numerous than their Romulan or Klingon counterparts. This alone is a major advantage. Combined with their superiority in weapons, this could very well be the deciding factor for the war.

The fourth point is technological superiority.
While we're not sure about the Romulans, Federation technology seems to handily outpace that of the Klingons. Again, an important advantage, directly relating to weapons power.

There are numerous other minor points, such as the stability of the respective governments and speed, but those are the major ones.

[Mark]

I just don't reasonably see this as a winnable war. The only way this could play out is after years of fighting each party realizes they cannot win, and come to terms. The Klingon Empire would fight to the last man, but the Federation has never been territory hungry. The UFP and both Empries have always fought different kinds of wars. The UFP is just so damn large that even the combined force of Klingons and Romulans couldn't conqure AND occupy all of the member worlds of the Federation and the Federation even if they managed to take Qo'nos and Romulus wouldn't be able to subjegate and absorb the two empires. Either they would battle to mutual extinction or till they were so weak that the Tholians could conqure everyone, OR they would eventually see it all as pointless and negotiate another neutral zone.

[Mikey]

I go for UFP, but VERY close. The UFP has the main war-footing features of both opponents - tech advantage equal to or greater than that of the Rommies (plus, all-out war would nullify the ban on cloaks) plus the fleet replenishment abilities of the Klingons. The big advantage for the Klingons ond Rommies is their ability and willingness to conquer. However, with the UFP stated in this premise as being on a more cautious footing and presumably creating more militaristic designs (the DITL USS Now You've Done It- class battleship) as well as better weaponry (who else has QT's?) I see teh Feds being able to win the war of attrition.