Species of the week: Gorn

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:46 pm

Captain Peabody wrote:
Hey! That rubber-costume Gorn was darn scary, and you know it!

I shall be meeerciiiiiful....

I loved that, he even had class. Offering Kirk a quick death.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:50 pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:No,I prefer the older Gorn. It had a charm about it and felt evil.

Yeah - you have to suspend derision for SFX that are current with the series - plus Jung had the right of it; I don't think that this was one of his official theories, but "big exposed fangs = evil and scary."

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:54 pm

No,I prefer the older Gorn. It had a charm about it and felt evil. The CGI Gorn was just like every other CGI prop, shitty. I'd use the word soulless but I'm an athiest.
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I loved that, he even had class. Offering Kirk a quick death

Oh, I agree completely that you got a far better feeling from the TOS gorn, the writing in that episode was great. That's something ENT will never beat.
I merely prefer the look of the ENT Gorn, to the TOS one, not the writing.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:57 pm

Rochey wrote: I merely prefer the look of the ENT Gorn, to the TOS one, not the writing.

Ahh, I prefer both the writing and the look of the older Gorn. But I'm a pretty big fan of TOS, not so much the other series.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:05 pm

I too am a fan of TOS, its my favourite series.

As for the look, well, that's simply subjective.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:49 pm

Indeed.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:32 am

I though the TOS one looked and acted crap. But I find most of TOS crap.

A guy in a rubber suit walking around really slowly going GGGRRRRRRR is not scary or doog writing.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:41 am

You can't judge it based on the quality of the SFX (or lack thereof...) - I enjoy watching the original "Dr. Who" but I think we can all agree that the SFX were actually painful to watch. A "guy in a rubber suit" was the norm for that ype of FX at the time.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:42 am

You can't judge it based on the quality of the SFX (or lack thereof...) - I enjoy watching the original "Dr. Who" but I think we can all agree that the SFX were actually painful to watch. A "guy in a rubber suit" was the norm for that ype of FX at the time.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:04 am

You can't judge it based on the quality of the SFX (or lack thereof...)

Sure you can. When something is so bad it takes away from the viewing pleasure it becomes destructive to the show.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:13 am

Teaos wrote:
Sure you can. When something is so bad it takes away from the viewing pleasure it becomes destructive to the show.

See I have the opposite opinion, I think the classic Gorn was part of the charm of TOS and the CGI Gorn was another sign of the utter tot that was ENT. In other words I derive pleasure from the classic effects but I cringe at the new ones.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:20 am

Teaos wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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You can't judge it based on the quality of the SFX (or lack thereof...)

Sure you can. When something is so bad it takes away from the viewing pleasure it becomes destructive to the show.

So you believe that the ep should never have been written, the idea thrown away entirely, because it was the sixties and the FX weren't up to your standards?

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:28 am

I dont know what life was like in the 60's but I believe that was about the best they could do. Thus when people watched it they wouldnt have thought "You can do better" Now how ever I know things can be much better and thus find the crappy suit and acting destructive to the episode.

George Lucas knew he didnt have the tech at the time to make the first 3 star wars movies so he skipped to the middle three. So it would seem that, yes you can just skip something if you cant pull it off well.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:24 am

Teaos wrote:
You can't judge it based on the quality of the SFX (or lack thereof...)
Sure you can. When something is so bad it takes away from the viewing pleasure it becomes destructive to the show.

A shame it didn't take away from the show...

I liked both ENT and TOS Gorn. It was cool that the Gorn weren't just generic evil aliens, there. They had a reason for attacking Cestus III and the Gorn Captain was pretty smart.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:35 am

A shame it didn't take away from the show...

Didnt take away from it? It made it painful to watch. I think my eyes started bleeding as it was doing its slow lumbering walk going "Grrrrr"