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Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seems

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:27 pm
by Granitehewer
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... holes.html

''Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seems. Apply a quantum theory of gravity to these bizarre objects and the all-crushing singularity at their core disappears.

In its place is something that looks a lot like an entry point to another universe. Most immediately, that could help resolve the nagging information loss paradox that dogs black holes.''

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:29 pm
by Teaos
Appart from the fact you get ripped apart by tidal forces before you even get close.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:38 pm
by Tyyr
That whole spaghettification thing is kind of a bitch.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:22 pm
by Granitehewer
Anyone read the article ? Opinions ?

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:24 pm
by Teaos
A theory with very little in terms of hard science, or most importantly, an possible experiment to back it up, which is the corner stonw of proper science.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:44 am
by RK_Striker_JK_5
Yeah, we already knew this... ;)

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:08 am
by Mikey
As Teaos mentions, we're way into the theoretical with this. Unfortunately, because of the effect of a black hole on any possible media, we can't actually observe the "interior" of a black hole in order to confirm or deny the hypothesis. This idea, however, is nothing new - the concept of black holes harboring "wormholes" or the so-called Einstein-Rosen bridges has been around since... well, since at least Einstein and Rosen.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:45 pm
by Granitehewer
It is a new model for reducing the informational loss issue in black holes and also novel in that it removes the singularity, many wormhole theories still featured a singularity and that is one reason that general relativity equations seemed to break down, it is also novel in employing loop quantum gravity. The jist may not seem novel but the mechanics are.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:29 pm
by Teaos
Loop Quantum gravity is just like string theory... another unprovable mathamatical idea.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:44 pm
by Tyyr
Granitehewer wrote:Anyone read the article ? Opinions ?
Yes, but removing the singularity doesn't do anything about the problems encountered along the way to it. TLDR version, even if this is true, you're still fucked long before you could get there.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 3:24 pm
by Lt. Staplic
The problem is that we cannot observe any "white holes" or entry points into our universe from black holes in other universes. Unless we're asserting that the black holes themselves are also the entry points in which case you might as well drop the idea of a wormhole because the gravitation of the two black holes on either side will crush you toward the center of their connection and you'll wind up trapped there.

Re: Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seem

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:12 pm
by Teaos
At least blackholes exist, white holes are only mathmatical theory and to our knowledge have never existed.