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I was thinking that the borg is far from perfect and perfection isn't assimilation... So far not all borgs have their own will thus, they are imperfection and i think the borg is aiming the immposible... Perfection...
Only Omega is perfect. They evolved from V'GER, Human's or Starfleet's Probe, and the borg are trying to find thier owner... Back in first contact, it looks like perfection has brought the borg to hopelessness. Their Creators, Is us and they've almost turned the world upside down...

Quote: Diplomacy. Janeway's Answer to everything. /imposter Janeway.

I don't think it is absolutely canon that the Borg created the upgraded V'Ger. If I remember correctly, it was an offhand comment by Gene Roddenberry, which was picked up on in a William Shatner novel.

That is good enough for me, and I think it makes sense, but I could see why other writers wouldn't go with it.

I always thought V'Ger came from outside the galaxy. I have no idea where it comes from but I thought I recalled someone saying something to that effect.
*Shrug*

I don't know, maybe they would have found out if they had flown around it a bit more in TMP... it wasn't quite long enough.

Inside StarTrek Legacy it says it all, And in the Motion Picture, where it found it's creator in NASA thingy...

Star Trek Legacy? a book/compiliation I missed?

If there is any more canon (or even speculation) on V'Ger, I'd love to find out about it. That was a really neat concept, and I wish they would flesh it out more.

If they did up grade it maybe it got some independence of its own. It no longer answered to the collective and thus had no reason to contact them.

Good point, but from what we've seen of V'Ger it seems (in my opinion anyway) to be beyond the borgs technology. Didn't V'Ger "digitize" galaxies? I have yet to hear of the borg doing that.

DBS wrote:Star Trek Legacy? a book/compiliation I missed?

XBox 360 and PC game. I still think Encounters on PS2 is better though.

That can be explaned by the fact that it is like a human. It wants more knowledge just for the hell of it. For the pure thrill of learning something new.

The borg don't have this. They only get new knowledge when it falls into their laps. V'ger searched for new knowledge on its own thus quickly evolved far faster than the borg.

I suppose that's a good theory.
Do we have any evidence that links V'Ger to the borg? Its just that I've never seen any.

It was in at least one book.

Thats not canon but enough to plant the idea in fans and to be treated as canon unless contradicted in a series which then takes canon.

Oh, ok then. I still don't like the idea of it being borg, still...
*shrug*

I think that we might have to accept that the Borg were not always hostile or like they are now. Maybe they joined with something that made them more unpleasant after the 21st century?

I agree that the combination of Borg technology (until this is contradicted by canon...) and Voyager's programming to learn everything possible combined to create something far more than either on their own.

By the way, it has been speculated (I think here) that the Borg might have originated as a joining of two distinct races, one biological and one mechanical. Maybe the machine planet was actually the one that upgraded V'Ger before joining and becoming the Borg proper?

Thats a good idea.
I would certainly explain some things.