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Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:30 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:56 pm
by Tyyr
Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. I'm tempted to say that the theory of evolution was raped in that episode but I don't think it adequately covers the soul crushing violation that was inflicted on the concept. And how could Phlox possibly know that the Valaxians continued survival would prevent the Menk from evolving? Heck, even with the Prime Directive this choice would be reprehensible. "Sorry, we could fix you but... well we just won't. Your natural development is obviously to die. We wouldn't want to get in the way of that." WTF?
Archer, "We're not out here to play god." But that's just what I'm going to do.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:24 pm
by katefan
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:43 pm
by Tsukiyumi
Whew. I forgot how fricking retarded that episode was. It's almost worse than
Threshold.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:51 am
by Tyyr
It's up there with Threshold. Threshold is incredibly stupid, Dear Doctor tries to put a happy face on genocide. They're horrific in their own unique ways.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:28 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Threshold isn't really horrific. It's stupid in every concievable way, butchers every field of science you can think of, is constructed on an idiotic plot point that every already knows the conclusion to, and is completely fogotten about in future episodes.
Basicaly, it's an amalgamation of all the problems that plagued VOY.
Dear Doctor, on the other hand, uses a fucked up and perverted vision of evolution to justify genocide, letting billions of people die when they could have helped, and began preaching about how moral their choice was. Agony Booth put it well with their analogy of the guy with a life preserver standing by and watching a man drown without trying to help him. At least that guy isn't going to go home and say how doing nothing was the right choice.
Dear Doctor was the point at which I stopped watching ENT. I simply couldn't look at the characters the same way again after that.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:54 pm
by Mikey
There's the rub. "Threshold" was just unconscionably stupid. "Dear Doctor" was actively bad.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:21 am
by Reliant121
I tend to be somewhat more forgiving than most when it comes to plot wholes and stupidity, but Dear Doctor puts the fucking nutcrackers on it. There's no way any morally sane person in the planet could even consider agreeing with it. This is Enterprise For Hitler.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:48 am
by Sionnach Glic
Exactly. Threshold was just dumb. Dear Doctor was downright repulsive.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:39 pm
by Sonic Glitch
Reliant121 wrote:This is Enterprise For Hitler.
{singing} and Germany... Voyager for Poland and France.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:21 pm
by Lazar
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:29 am
by Nickswitz
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:30 am
by Tsukiyumi
I should probably see that at some point.
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:33 am
by Sonic Glitch
Tsukiyumi wrote:I should probably see that at some point.
So should I...
Re: I Hate Enterprise
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:35 am
by Nickswitz
What, Producers?
I never actually saw it, just heard that song, and when I heard the premise I couldn't help but laugh.