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Well, if you put it like that

USSEnterprise wrote:Would you say that the Federation and the Borg have similar agendas? After all, the Federation wants to "assimilate" more cultures and to better itself like the Borg. Though they go about it different ways, in the end both have similar goals. The Borg want perfection and the Federation wants a nice happy universe where everyone gets along perfectly and war, famine, and suffering is no longer part of the world.

The United Federation of Planets is a sacred and noble institution, one that will stand the test of time, representing the drive and tenacity of the human spirit, extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the stars. The Borg are a hostile force who inflicts their brand of improvement whether you want it or not. There are stark differences.

Victory is Life wrote:The United Federation of Planets is a sacred and noble institution, one that will stand the test of time, representing the drive and tenacity of the human spirit, extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the stars. The Borg are a hostile force who inflicts their brand of improvement whether you want it or not. There are stark differences.

The UFP is a stiffling, micromanaging communist state, whose most important law is directly contrary to the genocide convention, and who have an obession with conformity and subservience to the state. The Borg take that micromanagement one stage further, and practice geocide in a different from, that at least allows individual members of their victim species to survive physically. Unlike the Federation version.

exactly...your just pulling out the good side of the Federation, and the nasty side of the borg and saying that the Feds are far supirior...It doesn't work that way.

Victory is Life wrote:The United Federation of Planets is a sacred and noble institution, one that will stand the test of time, representing the drive and tenacity of the human spirit, extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the stars... whether the people they encounter want it or not.

Edited to observe both sides of the story.

The United Federation of Planets is a sacred and noble institution, one that will stand the test of time, representing the drive and tenacity of the human spirit, extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the stars.

While that's certainly what the creators of the show intended the UFP be, in reality it was quite different. Observing the UFP and judging by what we see, the UFP is an oppresive communist state, complete with brainwashing, mass propaganda and brief mentions of re-education camps. They condone genocide and do nothing to save the lives of billions, even if it would take almost no effort for them to do so. They are arrogant to the extreme, automaticaly considering their way to be superior to all others, including some evidence of racism among the UFP populace towards non-UFP races. In addition, it's even disputed as to whether the UFP is actualy a democratic nation.

Rochey wrote:In addition, it's even disputed as to whether the UFP is actualy a democratic nation.

I think politics has been neglected - we never hear about elections, either planetary or Federation-wide, and we've only gotten rare glimpses of how the government operates.

Judging by TOS: "Amok Time," at least some council delegates are selected by their respective member worlds by other than democratic processes.

Mikey wrote:Judging by TOS: "Amok Time," at least some council delegates are selected by their respective member worlds by other than democratic processes.

Well if it's modeled on the UN, or on the pre-17th Amendment US Senate, then I guess they would be chosen by the planetary governments rather than through a direct election.

Yes; what I'm saying is that the internal selection process for each world seems to not necessarily be democratic.

The Borg are to the Federation what the man behind the curtain is to the great and powerful Oz.

so the Borg are actually little fat men running the Federation to try and scare everyone else?

Captain Seafort wrote:

Victory is Life wrote:The United Federation of Planets is a sacred and noble institution, one that will stand the test of time, representing the drive and tenacity of the human spirit, extending a hand of friendship and tolerance to the stars. The Borg are a hostile force who inflicts their brand of improvement whether you want it or not. There are stark differences.

The UFP is a stiffling, micromanaging communist state, whose most important law is directly contrary to the genocide convention, and who have an obession with conformity and subservience to the state. The Borg take that micromanagement one stage further, and practice geocide in a different from, that at least allows individual members of their victim species to survive physically. Unlike the Federation version.

Two extremes. Although I'll take Victory Is Life's any day of the week. Damn, how tinted are my rose-colored glasses?

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