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I like to remember the cool stainless looking skin of the Enterprise, and T'Pol's breasts...Deepcrush wrote:I think i said it once before but i feel the need to say it once again. I try to forget most things from ent as it tends to cause me pain trying to understand it.
Not really there are plenty of reasons why they may have the queen.It doesn't fit with the way the Borg were originaly introduced.
At first, they were completely alien. No leaders, no VIPs, no weak points, no individualism. The race as a whole just went constantly onwards, seeking to assimilate everything without any real reason.
The very existance of the Queen is completely against all of that.
I would like to point out that it was actually a lack of creativity that caused the change. The writers apparently came up with a character/race that was basically useless after only a couple appearances. A race that has shipt that powerful would be 100% impossable to go up against if they had any sort of number. One Borg cube caused the Federation to fall to it's knees a few times. A race that assimilated everyone and everything would have vast numbers. In their original incarnation, a force of only 5 cubes could easily have assimilated the ENTIRE AQ, imho. That is not good writing, that is a lack of forethought.Mikey wrote:Perhaps. But we can still be annoyed by the lack of continuity in universe, no matter the reason it was done in RL - i.e., to let the writers' off the hook for actually being creative or something...
Not really. They were originaly portrayed as powerful, and well out of the Federation's league, but they were never portrayed as invinceable. In the very first encounter, the Enterprise managed to cause damage to the cube on several ocasions. They could be beat, but only through fleet actions.But the unstoppable force that the Borg were originally would have been all but impossible to use anymore. We couldnt beat them and if we did it would again be destroying what people consider to be "true borg"
Sure Voyager may have gon a bit far but they needed to either change or disapear.
It's neither. What the Borg were originally - an barely-stoppable amoral (as opposed to immoral) force - were as close to Roddenberry's original vision for them as could be put on a TV screen. No writer just came up with an idea for the Borg. That was a part of Roddenberry's mindset when TNG was envisioned. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't; but they were as they were, and to just completely change the whole concept of the Borg to make writing easier and less of a creative task is simply unconscionable.Jim wrote:That is not good writing, that is a lack of forethought.
They can't infinitely adapt to massive amounts of power. They've been shown to be vulnerable to standard phaser fire against multiple ships.But everytime you hit the cube it adapted. Whats to stop them from adapting to fleet warfare.
Of course, you couldn't have them as an enemy who popped up every second episode. Do what TNG did, and save them for massive battles, season finales, plot elements, etc.The Borg in the way they were originally portrayed were useless as an enemy as they could not be defeated more than once or twice with out "ruining" them again.
Better than turning the Borg into the DQ buffoons that Voyager made of them.Teaos wrote:But that idea is crap. An almost unstoppable enemy? How do you stop that more than once with out it seeming rediculous? Throw a Dues Ex Machina in every time they show up? Yeah thats great for a story.
Too bad you're telling us instead of having told the writing staff...Deepcrush wrote:The borg could be a very powerful driving force for the show. Think about it, if you have an enemy that you can't beat now but if you work hard enough you might have a chance then well you could open up the books for what ever you want. There would be no end to it all. It would leave so much room for growth in both story line and character/race development.
