The Xindi Paradox

[Graham Kennedy]

For survival, resources, territory

Earth doesn't want their resources or territory, and they aren't even capable of going after Earth's.

[Aaron]

For survival, resources, territory

*ahem*

We know nothing about this race save for the fact they were dying. Even with the Vulcans help it took a century for Earth to build one truely practical interstellar vessel, which also limits how much Earth can help these mooks. Archer obvioulsy wasn't going to wait around to help them advance and anyother Earth expedition would likely be years just getting there.

If they overcome that hurdle, there is the simple fact that they could never threaten Earth unless Earth lets them. IE: limit SF development and expansion to an extent that they can surpass them. The RN and the German Navy come immediately to mind here.

I realise Trek likes to promote that idea that you can whistle up technology and a fleet from nothing but pay attention to the coloured text.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

For survival, resources, territory

Earth doesn't want their resources or territory, and they aren't even capable of going after Earth's.

They would eventually be in competion someday.

[Aaron]

They would eventually be in competion someday.

I guess that's why the Vulcans wiped out Earth...oh wait.

[Graham Kennedy]

They would eventually be in competion someday.

Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that the NX-01 should be genociding the species it encounters because they might theoretically become hostile at some point in the future.

Do you think that's a reasonable policy for Earth to adopt?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

They would eventually be in competion someday.

I guess that's why the Vulcans wiped out Earth...oh wait.

The exception that proves the rule?

Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that the NX-01 should be genociding the species it encounters because they might theoretically become hostile at some point in the future.

Technically they aren't comitting genocide. They're just not saving the lives of this species. If a man is having a heart attack, and you don't provide CPR does that make you a criminal?

[Graham Kennedy]

Technically they aren't comitting genocide. They're just not saving the lives of this species. If a man is having a heart attack, and you don't provide CPR does that make you a criminal?

In some places it does, in some it doesn't.

However, as a general case if Earth are going to act on the basis of what a species might do at some point in the future, then they have to accept that the Menk may just as easily end up as competitors. By your logic shouldn't they be doing something about that?

[Aaron]

Technically they aren't comitting genocide. They're just not saving the lives of this species. If a man is having a heart attack, and you don't provide CPR does that make you a criminal?

You know, I adressed this further back (which you ignored). Genocide by ommission is still genocide, the West is getting slammed over Darfur for this exact same thing. I find it odd that a man that advocates peace and dismantling military organisations has no problem with wiping out a species.

The exception that proves the rule?

One incident doesn't prove frag all, for all we know the Vulcans aren't the only ones doing this. In fact the Federation later does it for Bajor, despite the fact (that by your logic) they may one day threaten the Federation with conquest and spread their looney religion by force.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Technically they aren't comitting genocide. They're just not saving the lives of this species. If a man is having a heart attack, and you don't provide CPR does that make you a criminal?

You know, I adressed this further back (which you ignored). Genocide by ommission is still genocide, the West is getting slammed over Darfur for this exact same thing. I find it odd that a man that advocates peace and dismantling military organisations has no problem with wiping out a species.

They aren't wiping them out. They just aren't saving them. Very different from my POV

[Aaron]

They aren't wiping them out. They just aren't saving them. Very different from my POV

BS, by refusing to provide assistance you are an accessory to genocide. You have bizarre and frankly immoral set of ethics Chakat.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

They aren't wiping them out. They just aren't saving them. Very different from my POV

BS, by refusing to provide assistance you are an accessory to genocide. You have bizarre and frankly immoral set of ethics Chakat.

Let's say a guy is having a heart attack, and you don't give him CPR, would you then be a criminal?

[Aaron]

Let's say a guy is having a heart attack, and you don't give him CPR, would you then be a criminal?

It can make you one if you know CPR and refuse to help.

Let me ask you a question: if you saw a woman being raped would you intervene or call the police?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Let's say a guy is having a heart attack, and you don't give him CPR, would you then be a criminal?

It can make you one if you know CPR and refuse to help.

And if he suffers from something you did wrong during CPR he can sue you.

Let me ask you a question: if you saw a woman being raped would you intervene or call the police?

I think I would call the police, but it's one of those situation where you have to go through it to know what you'll really do. Now, what does this have to do with our discussion?

[Aaron]

And if he suffers from something you did wrong during CPR he can sue you.

In that legal cesspool you live in yes, in the rest of the Western world not so much. Good samariatan laws and all that.

I think I would call the police, but it's one of those situation where you have to go through it to know what you'll really do. Now, what does this have to do with our discussion?

It shows that you are a hypocrite, you would opt to help the woman but not take the same step to prevent genocide.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

And if he suffers from something you did wrong during CPR he can sue you.

In that legal cesspool you live in yes, in the rest of the Western world not so much. Good samariatan laws and all that.

Good samariatan laws? How do those work?

I think I would call the police, but it's one of those situation where you have to go through it to know what you'll really do. Now, what does this have to do with our discussion?

It shows that you are a hypocrite, you would opt to help the woman but not take the same step to prevent genocide.

It's a trick question then. Both options would be helping the woman.