Atekimogus wrote:Excuse me, of course they look different but generelly speaking they are more or less the same and at least to me look extremley similar. Sure it is a new set for a new ship but basically it is just another redecoration of the same warp core.
They look completely different, ergo they are different designs.
That is true but would you not think that after the first near fatality they would rework the whole core?
I would. You would. The Federation, on the other hand, did not. They lost the Yamato (and over a thousand people) to AM containment failure in "Contaigon", and almost lost the E-D to the same thing more than three years later in "Distaster". This demonstrates that they haven't fixed their unreliable ejection system.
They also came close to losing the E-D in "Hollow Pursuits" (due to jammed injectors), "Cause and Effect" (due to loss of core pressure, although they didn't find out about it as the collision never "really" happened), "Yesterday's Enterprise" (a coolant leak, although again it never really happened), "Timescape" (feedback from a power transfer) and "All Good Things..." (subspace somethingorother), and finally did lose her in "Generations" (damaged magnetic interlocks and a coolant leak). On none of these occassions was the concept of the core being ejected automatically even mentioned. The entire culture surrounding Fed reactor design is dangerously flawed.
I can not remember that it was ever specifically mentioned that this class has a problem with the warp core or that it was poorly designed.
It wasn't mentioned on screen. It is, however, demonstrated by the number of near-misses they've had, and the nature of them.
True, but not exclusivly as I said earlier since I am sure that the defiant for example also at least once had this problem.
Then please provide an episode reference, and details of the incident.
I am not sure about Voyager though but I wouldn't be to afraid to bet that there are also a few scenes were the ship is about to explode because of the warp core with the saftey features inoperable.
The only example I can think of is the ship being vulnerable to the same loss of core pressure that destroyed the E-D in "Cause and Effect" ("Caretaker"). However, the pressure never dropped to dangerously low levels, so we never saw whether emergency shutdown/ejection systems would have kicked in. I'd call it a maybe.
That is one of the reoccurring scenarios constantly recycled by star trek (since it is a neat way to threaten the whole ship with total destruction without doing the special effects of a battle) and I wouldn't pin it on only one class.
The fact that it's a recurring plot is the evidence for the design being dangerous - remember that under suspension of disbelief we treat the episodes as if they're documentary footage.
Do not forget, out of 3 losses only one, possible two are due to a warp core breaches. Considering an almost 20 year servicetime that is not so bad actually.
More like 2, almost certainly three, were caused by catastrophic malfunctions of the power train. I'd compare it to WW1-era battlecruisers - out of 21 built, and a service life of about 40 years, three were lost, and two almost lost to cordite flashes - five incidents, compared to the GCS's nine (seven if you discount the ones that were never found out about) in less than a decade. The result is that the entire concept is considered a failure, and at the time all ships were immidiately ordered into dock for major structural changes to prevent repeat occurances. The fact that the GCS kept suffering breaches indicates that the Feds were somewhat more blase about their problems.
Ah well that is the crux of the matter isn't it? Whereas I think that no ship in the federation fleet would have survived such an suicide run you think otherwise and blame design failures of the galaxy class.
I do so because I'm aware of the RL equivalent. In 1940, during the German invasion of Norway, the German heavy cruiser Admiral Hipper was rammed by the British destroyer HMS Glowworm. Glowworm was far closer in size to the Hipper than the bug was to the Odyssey (about a tenth, compared to 1/150th). Despite this, although Hipper was badly damaged, she was never in danger of sinking.
Maybe for you. I am probably not very good in such things but if you show me the scimitar and ask me were does it belong to my first guess would be new/not seen Dominion ship followed by klingon and then romulan design. It really does more look like random alien ship #435 a ka probably built by remans. I am really sorry but nothing on that ship screams romulan to me, maybe you can give me a pointer or two.
The design's certainly a mess, but the plot was "slave assassinates Senate and takes over the Empire". From there, the assumption that he took over the fleet, including the most powerful of the bunch, seems pretty logical. What does not seem logical is assuming that a bunch of slaves could build an uber-ship behind their masters' backs.
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