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Nickswitz wrote:Well, today was fun.Lifeguarding was difficult, people being deadweight, are not fun to lift out of the water...

Are you training or something? If not, maybe you should put a sign up that says, You must know how to swim before entering.
Seriously, I've been to a lot of pools, and very seldom have I seen a lifeguard in action, besides blowing a whistle to announce adult swim.




I have a job interview tomorrow.

Nickswitz wrote:I actually am unsure as to what winning or losing one of these debates is... It's kind of an opinion rather than anything else,

Winning a debate is a bit bumpy. Once you can tell your opponent hasn't the will or ability to carry on with the topic anymore. That's a victory.

so I guess it's whatever the teacher decides,

This is a sad side effect as I've "spoken" with a number of teachers who attempt to impart their opinions on students rather then allow the students to form their own opinions.

Uzume wrote:Are you training or something? If not, maybe you should put a sign up that says, You must know how to swim before entering.
Seriously, I've been to a lot of pools, and very seldom have I seen a lifeguard in action, besides blowing a whistle to announce adult swim.

Yes Hun, I'm training. Haha

Deepcrush wrote:This is a sad side effect as I've "spoken" with a number of teachers who attempt to impart their opinions on students rather then allow the students to form their own opinions.

He actually doesn't do that, but he usually decides based on a few factors, what he likes is just one of them... But he's actually a good teacher IMO

Deepcrush wrote:This is a sad side effect as I've "spoken" with a number of teachers who attempt to impart their opinions on students rather then allow the students to form their own opinions.

That's every non-technical class I took in college. Independent thinking is not encouraged at college.

Tyyr wrote:

Deepcrush wrote:This is a sad side effect as I've "spoken" with a number of teachers who attempt to impart their opinions on students rather then allow the students to form their own opinions.

That's every non-technical class I took in college. Independent thinking is not encouraged at college.

It is at DCC, or at least in every class I've taken.

We're encouraged to form our own opinions in almost anything. Then again BCSC is quite a forward thinking school in most ways.

Tyyr wrote:That's every non-technical class I took in college. Independent thinking is not encouraged at college.

Ha! I had an ancient lit class at Stevens taught be a full-blown femi-nazi. I actually received a failing assignment grade (an extra one, no assignment involved) for daring to suggest that Achilleus' and Agamemnon's treatement of Briseis in The Iliad wasn't evil, because it should have been judged by the mores of Mycenaean Greece rather than our own.

Tyyr wrote:

Deepcrush wrote:This is a sad side effect as I've "spoken" with a number of teachers who attempt to impart their opinions on students rather then allow the students to form their own opinions.

That's every non-technical class I took in college. Independent thinking is not encouraged at college.

Seriously? I - and most others of the proffession that I've encountered - try and encourage people to give alternate suggestions and theories as to why X is so.

Mikey wrote:

Tyyr wrote:That's every non-technical class I took in college. Independent thinking is not encouraged at college.

Ha! I had an ancient lit class at Stevens taught be a full-blown femi-nazi. I actually received a failing assignment grade (an extra one, no assignment involved) for daring to suggest that Achilleus' and Agamemnon's treatement of Briseis in The Iliad wasn't evil, because it should have been judged by the mores of Mycenaean Greece rather than our own.

I knew a teacher like that once (though she wasn't a femi-nazi, she was just sure that anyone else's interpretation of something was invalid). She eventualy wound up getting fired after it transpired she had been unfairly marking students down in state examinations because they offered explainations that were perfectly valid but contrary to her ideas.

Sionnach Glic wrote:Seriously? I - and most others of the proffession that I've encountered - try and encourage people to give alternate suggestions and theories as to why X is so.

Yup. "Free Thinking" was only allowed if the end result meshed with the instructor's opinion or was currently politically correct. Any questioning of the underlying assumptions or of their opinions is not tolerated. You either line up your opinions with the current accepted ideology of the institution or you shut the hell up.

Mikey wrote:Ha! I had an ancient lit class at Stevens taught be a full-blown femi-nazi. I actually received a failing assignment grade (an extra one, no assignment involved) for daring to suggest that Achilleus' and Agamemnon's treatement of Briseis in The Iliad wasn't evil, because it should have been judged by the mores of Mycenaean Greece rather than our own.

Sound a lot like my introduction to higher education. I was in a sociology class with a very PC, left-wing professor. One day we were talking about people react to things and she said one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. "There's no difference between a woman and a man." I of course raised my hand and said that was just wrong. Biologically, psychologically, on just about every level that was just totally wrong. I don't know how many times we clashed that semester but I rarely suppressed my "bullshit!" impulse and was constantly calling her out on those kind of comments. When I had the balls to suggest that human beings were not intrinsically good and that we are in fact selfish hateful border line barbarians on tiny step above savages and animals I was just the belle of the ball. Even though I got an A or B on every single paper and assignment she claimed my attendance was "sub standard," and gave me a D even though people who showed up to class less than me walked away with A's and B's. That they came rushing to her defence every time we clashed was of course totally irrelevant.

Sociology, history, anything I took that wasn't technical fell out the same way. You either fall in line with the professor's opinion or your ass was in trouble. I was really popular in world history when I suggested that democracy and human rights were not necessarily the obvioius end point of human social evolution and that dictatorships and other similar forms of government had some very good qualities.

Sound like the problem is that the teachers are told they must make the students conform to whatever ideology is popular.

Indeed, I've seen many algebra classes in which a correct and logically-deduced answer seemed to be considered secondary to the use of the accepted dogma for the arrival at the answer.

Well, today my group went, we did just as well as any other group that went up, the Death Penalty went on about half the class, it was good though. The difference in the thoughts of the students was extremely interesting. And about my teacher, he in no way will deduct for having different thoughts than him, but he will argue with you, and has no problem accepting that someone sees his opinion as wrong, or when he is corrected about something he will accept it and use it from then on.

We had involvement in world affairs, and the other side, used... ugh... George Washington's advice to stay out of world affairs, you know, in the 1700's. I hate it when people use that, it's such a crappy fall back. I mean for the time it was fine advice, we were a small nation with little to no power to do anything... But now we aren't. It would be like asking Ford, the guy, to fix your 2010 model car, it would be pointless and moronic to think of it, same idea in that matter... We aren't a small defenseless nation any longer.

But yeah, it was good, swimming for lifeguarding on Thursday and Friday. Friday I will enjoy much more...

I just found what I'll be doing next weekend.

Oh my

I hate you Sionnach... With a passion...

and BTW