Morning rant on ST 11

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:02 am

Personaly, I think it's time for Trek to die for a while. Since DS9, all we've been getting is crap after crap after crap. Kill it for a while, and then maybe in a few decades someone could give justice to a new series or movie.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:28 am

I dont think it needs to die. It just needs someone with a clue running it.

Chris Propst · Post by **Chris Propst** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:46 pm

Teaos wrote:I dont think it needs to die. It just needs someone with a clue running it.

I tend to agree with that. It's too bad it didn't just die after DS9.
This is why I really must try to hold judgment on the future of Star Trek as a whole until the next film comes out.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:40 pm

Well, if they are in fact doing a full recon then it might not be too bad. They'll get a chance to fix everything that ENT fucked up.

Chris Propst · Post by **Chris Propst** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:16 am

And there's always the possibility it will be some sort of alternate past timeline created by 24th century Spock or something. Unfortunately, we got enough of this with Star Trek: Voyager.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:13 pm

Technically, Enterprise IS in an alternate timeline. I see it ths way once the Borg traveled back in time, and the E-E followed them, the timeline was polluted. Who knows what kind of effects that had on the past. After all, I'm assuming in the "REAL" timeline, Archer and crew never encountered the Borg. Thus it was in an "alternate" one, that they did.

Chris Propst · Post by **Chris Propst** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:37 am

Mark wrote:Technically, Enterprise IS in an alternate timeline. I see it ths way once the Borg traveled back in time, and the E-E followed them, the timeline was polluted. Who knows what kind of effects that had on the past. After all, I'm assuming in the "REAL" timeline, Archer and crew never encountered the Borg. Thus it was in an "alternate" one, that they did.

Interesting idea. I haven't actually seen "Regeneration," so I'll have to check it out at some point.
Is this the main reason some fans consider Enterprise to be an alternate timeline?
How do you explain Riker and Troi in These Are The Voyages? Just that the timeline was different, but not too different.

Sonic Glitch · Post by **Sonic Glitch** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:51 am

Mark wrote:Technically, Enterprise IS in an alternate timeline. I see it ths way once the Borg traveled back in time, and the E-E followed them, the timeline was polluted. Who knows what kind of effects that had on the past. After all, I'm assuming in the "REAL" timeline, Archer and crew never encountered the Borg. Thus it was in an "alternate" one, that they did.

OR the Borg trying to stop first contact and picard and co. preventing it is as a matter of fact how history remembers it and is the "real" timeline, hense the lack of any real wackiness when picard & co returned. also explains why Dulmer and Lucsly didn't show up. (those were their names yes?)

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:46 am

Interesting idea. I haven't actually seen "Regeneration," so I'll have to check it out at some point.

Lucky man, quite possible the biggest "Fuck you canon" enterprise ever did.

Sonic Glitch · Post by **Sonic Glitch** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:50 am

Teaos wrote:
Interesting idea. I haven't actually seen "Regeneration," so I'll have to check it out at some point.
Lucky man, quite possible the biggest "f**k you canon" enterprise ever did.

And yet perhaps the most canon thing they ever did, the Borg Debris from F.C. had to go somewhere...I admire them for trying to tie up the loose end even if they did in a bass ackward manner.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:33 am

I'm just seriously REACHING for an explination of Enterprise

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:22 pm

Interesting idea. I haven't actually seen "Regeneration," so I'll have to check it out at some point

Don't bother. You can spend that hour of your life in far better ways. Seriously, it sucks.

Is this the main reason some fans consider Enterprise to be an alternate timeline?

No. Most people that consider it an alternate time line because it contradicts so damn much of every other series that it being an alternate universe would be the best sollution for rectifying the problems. The Borg bit just gives us a nice explaination of how it happened.

How do you explain Riker and Troi in These Are The Voyages? Just that the timeline was different, but not too different

That's pretty much it. It's an alternate, but very similar, timeline.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:35 pm

Rochey wrote:
How do you explain Riker and Troi in These Are The Voyages? Just that the timeline was different, but not too different
That's pretty much it. It's an alternate, but very similar, timeline.

Or the entire series was simply a badly researched holonovel loosely based on Archer's Enterprise.

Another possibility is that the reset button at the end of "Storm Front" wiped the first three seasons from history, hence why they differ from established canon.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:10 pm

Yeah, either of those's do.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:07 am

I still hate jumping through hoops to explain stupid writers.

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