USS Stargazer

[Reliant121]

Incompetance?

[Sonic Glitch]

Plot Induced Stupidity?

[Sionnach Glic]

You mean, other then the fact he didn't use it? If it was as easy to use as you seem to think it is then why didn't he use it?

Actualy, that's not proof. Why not? Because there are plenty of other ways he could have destroyed the ship, yet he tried none of them. So, obviously, he never even considered using the self-destruct.

[Aaron]

You've got it backwards. Ships like the Stargazer are replaceable, lives are not.

Answer my points or don't post at all.

That said, the two are not mutually exclusive. Picard could have evacuated and scuttled the ship. If the destruct is offline all the engineering crew has to do is toss an overloading phaser into the antimatter storage and then get beamed out by a shuttle or take an aft escape pod.

This is Starfleet, not the military. And without soldiers how can a military operate?

Stunning, absolutely stunning. SF is not a military...but they are!

BTW, you recruit more. The Federation spans at least 160 member worlds, that's a lot of potential recruits and we've seen that they have no recruitment problems.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

You mean, other then the fact he didn't use it? If it was as easy to use as you seem to think it is then why didn't he use it?

Actualy, that's not proof. Why not? Because there are plenty of other ways he could have destroyed the ship, yet he tried none of them. So, obviously, he never even considered using the self-destruct.

Why not? If the destruction of the ship was such a priority then Picard should've considered it. And since he was found innocent and all at his hearing over the loss of the Stargazer this suggests that either A)Starfleet doesn't consider the prevention of the 'gazer's destruction to be of high priority or B)the self-destruct was offline and Picard did the right thing(in Starfleet's opinion) by not wasting time in creating a more elaborate method of destruction.


OOU, have the writers ever done anything that makes perfect sense so that we didn't argue about it?

[Sionnach Glic]

Why not? If the destruction of the ship was such a priority then Picard should've considered it.

Yes, he should have. He didn't. Hence why I consider him to have failed in his duties here.

And since he was found innocent and all at his hearing over the loss of the Stargazer this suggests that either A)Starfleet doesn't consider the prevention of the 'gazer's destruction to be of high priority or B)the self-destruct was offline and Picard did the right thing(in Starfleet's opinion) by not wasting time in creating a more elaborate method of destruction.

Or they couldn't come down on him like a tonne of bricks for screwing up due to the fact he saved his crew, it would be bad for public relations. Hell, they promoted Janeway to admiral for the same reasons (well, probably).

And as for "more elaborate", you don't need to be a genius to think up several ways in which to blow the ship up. It could be done easily and quickly.

[Aaron]

And as for "more elaborate", you don't need to be a genius to think up several ways in which to blow the ship up. It could be done easily and quickly.

Yeah like the shuttles phasers...

[Sionnach Glic]

Or just setting a torp to go off in ten minutes. Or beaming an overloading phaser next to the warp core. Or disabling the containment fields. Or leaving one guy behind to shoot the warp core.

[Sonic Glitch]

And as for "more elaborate", you don't need to be a genius to think up several ways in which to blow the ship up. It could be done easily and quickly.

Yeah like the shuttles phasers...

Oorrr..."lets turn off the batteries for the AM Contianment (or atleast turn them way way down) so they fail 5min after we've left the ship"

EDIT: What Rochey said

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Or they couldn't come down on him like a tonne of bricks for screwing up due to the fact he saved his crew, it would be bad for public relations.

Picard was court-martialed for the loss of the Stargazer, zealously prosecuted by Phillipa Louvois. In the end, he was absolved of all charges. see: The Measure Of A Man

[Sionnach Glic]

On what grounds was he absolved of all charges?

[Aaron]

Oorrr..."lets turn off the batteries for the AM Contianment (or atleast turn them way way down) so they fail 5min after we've left the ship"

EDIT: What Rochey said

What's really funny is that we see on several occasions in TNG that AM containment can fail very easily yet Stargazer drifted for weeks without power.

[Aaron]

Don't you just love how Chakat ignores anything he can't answer?

[Sonic Glitch]

Oorrr..."lets turn off the batteries for the AM Contianment (or atleast turn them way way down) so they fail 5min after we've left the ship"

EDIT: What Rochey said

What's really funny is that we see on several occasions in TNG that AM containment can fail very easily yet Stargazer drifted for weeks without power.

SShhhhh.....

And remember, the Stargazer was from what is known as the Era of Competently Designed Ships...as opposed to the GCS.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

On what grounds was he absolved of all charges?

They didn't say to my knowledge. Maybe he didn't do anything wrong according to Starfleet regulations