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Arrogent, arrogent, arrogent...what did I ask?

Exactly how were they arrogant?

I'm no expert, but I don't think lasers do that kind of stuff

No, they don't. Then again, reality never stopped Trek before.

That's just human nature.

Which is still racism. Thanks for agreeing.
For an advanced faction, humans in ENT aren't exactly that culturaly evolved. Nor do they seem to understand the concept of being diplomatic.

They didn't commit genocide, they just didn't give something to help a dying species.

They willingly let the race die off. If a child died because its mother refused to feed it even when she knew it was hungry, would you say there would be nothing wrong with that?

Why should they be expected to do charity work for every dying race they come across?

Did the fact that they had the cure litteraly in their hand sail right over your head?
Handing it over to them would have taken all of five seconds, and would have been highly beneficial to Earth in the long run.

I'd say that's a flaw. Along the lines of "Do as I say not as I do."

No, it's called having writers that don't have a fracking clue what the character is like. If they had established that Archer was a hypocrite, then I'd buy that scene. They didn't. They made both scenes out like he was doing The Right Thing. No one even commented over how their Captain was doing something he earlier refused to allow happen.

Reliant121 wrote:
Not likely. My friends parents are either the dottery old person, the policeman, or the homophobic hate all *******.

Where do you live, Alabama?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:Arrogent, arrogent, arrogent...what did I ask?

What is this "arrogent" you refer to? If you mean "arrogant", then you can hardly compare those individuals to the Vulcans of Enterprise. The latter were consistent and emphatic in their belief that humans were inferior to Vulcans, and T'pol was consistently insulting the crew of the NX-01 during the early episodes. I'd like to see some evidence of similar behaviour from either Spock or Tuvok - they were confident, and not afraid to tell their commanding officers what they thought, but they were also prepared to admit when they were wrong, even in a somewhat indirect manner.

I'm no expert, but I don't think lasers do that kind of stuff

They shouldn't be visible, but most of the effects of the ship-based weapons could be explained as the heating effect of lasers.

The naked now/time

A specific homage to the earlier episode, that specifically referred to it. Try again.

That's just human nature.

So? Racism remains racism, and represents the worst facets of human nature. Given that racists are universally reviled in the civilised world, I'd have thought that such attitudes would have faded away by the 22nd century. Gene Roddenberry certainly believed so, it's a pity that B&B don't.

They didn't commit genocide, they just didn't give something to help a dying species. Why should they be expected to do charity work for every dying race they come across?

They possessed the cure to the disease the species was dying of, and made a conscious decision to withhold it. That counts as genocide in my book.

I'd say that's a flaw. Along the lines of "Do as I say not as I do."

And these are meant to be the "heros" of the series?

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Reliant121 wrote:
Not likely. My friends parents are either the dottery old person, the policeman, or the homophobic hate all *******.

Where do you live, Alabama?

No, chavland UK. Theres still a large homophobic population here though.

They didn't commit genocide, they just didn't give something to help a dying species.

They willingly let the race die off. If a child died because its mother refused to feed it even when she knew it was hungry, would you say there would be nothing wrong with that?

That's very different. The mother has a responsibility to take care of her child. The NX-01 on the other hand had no responsibility to take care of a dying race.

Why should they be expected to do charity work for every dying race they come across?

Did the fact that they had the cure litteraly in their hand sail right over your head?
Handing it over to them would have taken all of five seconds, and would have been highly beneficial to Earth in the long run.

They'd have to reproduce the cure in massive amounts, and there's no proof that it would benefit Earth in the slightest.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:They'd have to reproduce the cure in massive amounts, and there's no proof that it would benefit Earth in the slightest.

I would have thought it would have made that race a very strong ally of theirs. It is of great benefit to Earth to have alliances, especially at this point in history when they aren't militarily strong.

GrahamKennedy wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:They'd have to reproduce the cure in massive amounts, and there's no proof that it would benefit Earth in the slightest.

I would have thought it would have made that race a very strong ally of theirs. It is of great benefit to Earth to have alliances, especially at this point in history when they aren't militarily strong.

Or it could make them strong enough to become a major power and wipe out earth.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
Or it could make them strong enough to become a major power and wipe out earth.

Wipe out the planet that just helped them survive? Oh BTW, these guys were struggling to send ships to the outer edge of the system. Even if they turned on homanity, the United Earth has about a two century head start on them in space technology. Enterprise herself could cripple their world via orbital bombardment.

Why would they want to wipe out the species that just helped save them all?

GrahamKennedy wrote:Why would they want to wipe out the species that just helped save them all?

Wiping out the competition is the first thing that comes to mind.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:[

Wiping out the competition is the first thing that comes to mind.

*ahem*

I wrote: Wipe out the planet that just helped them survive? Oh BTW, these guys were struggling to send ships to the outer edge of the system. Even if they turned on homanity, the United Earth has about a two century head start on them in space technology. Enterprise herself could cripple their world via orbital bombardment.

Does the term suicide hold any meaning for you?

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:[

Wiping out the competition is the first thing that comes to mind.

*ahem*

I wrote: Wipe out the planet that just helped them survive? Oh BTW, these guys were struggling to send ships to the outer edge of the system. Even if they turned on homanity, the United Earth has about a two century head start on them in space technology. Enterprise herself could cripple their world via orbital bombardment.

Does the term suicide hold any meaning for you?

They could be a very patient race. Besides, once they give these guys the medicine, they will probably demand other stuff, such as technology. Weapons, defensive technology, FTL propulsion, all in the name of helping their race to survive. If Archer refused that stuff the aliens would be pissed naturally be pissed about it, and there are civilizations on earth that hold grudges against each other for believing in different religions or even just the color of their skin for generations.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
They could be a very patient race. Besides, once they give these guys the medicine, they will probably demand other stuff, such as technology. Weapons, defensive technology, FTL propulsion, all in the name of helping their race to survive. If Archer refused that stuff the aliens would be pissed naturally be pissed about it, and there are civilizations on earth that hold grudges against each other for believing in different religions or even just the color of their skin for generations.

We know nothing about this race save for the fact they were dying. Even with the Vulcans help it took a century for Earth to build one truely practical interstellar vessel, which also limits how much Earth can help these mooks. Archer obvioulsy wasn't going to wait around to help them advance and anyother Earth expedition would likely be years just getting there.

If they overcome that hurdle, there is the simple fact that they could never threaten Earth unless Earth lets them. IE: limit SF development and expansion to an extent that they can surpass them. The RN and the German Navy come immediately to mind here.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:

GrahamKennedy wrote:Why would they want to wipe out the species that just helped save them all?

Wiping out the competition is the first thing that comes to mind.

What competition? Competition for what?

GrahamKennedy wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:

GrahamKennedy wrote:Why would they want to wipe out the species that just helped save them all?

Wiping out the competition is the first thing that comes to mind.

What competition? Competition for what?

For survival, resources, territory