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Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:42 pm
by Mikey
As has been said before, other species' failings don't justify Starfleet's. Just because everybody else does something dumb doesn't mean it isn't just as dumb for Starfleet to do it.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:20 pm
by Teaos
But if everyone does something there is more chance of their being some in universe reason for it.
Like Nacelles sticking out, it would make sense to cover them up but since pretty much everyone has them on the outside we assume there is a reason for it.
Although in the case of single power supplies I cant think of a single good (or bad) reason behind it...
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:05 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Every race has shittily designed guns, too. Should we assume there's a good in-universe reason for that? No. Why? Becuase there's no logical reason for it. The only answer that doesn't stretch credibility is "they're fucking retarded".
It's the same with everything else that's been levelled at the GCS.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:51 pm
by kostmayer
The Bajoran guns didn't look too impractical. Klingons ones neither, even if they did look a bit like 18th duelling pistols.
Disruptors at dawn, that would be fun way to see a couple of Klingons sought out their differences.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:42 pm
by katefan
Teaos wrote:But if everyone does something there is more chance of their being some in universe reason for it.
Like Nacelles sticking out, it would make sense to cover them up but since pretty much everyone has them on the outside we assume there is a reason for it.
Although in the case of single power supplies I cant think of a single good (or bad) reason behind it...
That was one element of 'Trek that I liked, that somewhere down the line the different races realized that dual nacelles seemed to be the most efficient way to develop a warp field.
The only reason I can see for a single power source is the amount of space a single one takes up. We see Engineering, but the warp core (I think) runs up and down the entire height of the ship in some cases. Although perhaps if there were dual warp cores perhaps they would not need to be as tall.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:34 pm
by Mark
Two warp cores = double the chance of a core breach. Core breaches don't seem THAT uncommon, so I'd be leery about that.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:51 am
by Teaos
It's the same with everything else that's been levelled at the GCS.
Of for god sake, you dont like the GCS, we get it. Don't paint the whole ship as retarded just because it has some retarded features.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:06 pm
by Mikey
The concept was just fine - it's the application and execution that were the problems.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:30 pm
by Teaos
Replace the Warp core and the Nacelles (which them seemed to have done on latter ones) and I would love to serve on a GCS, sure the computers and holodecks suck but thats the same on all SF ships.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:38 pm
by Mikey
I've made fun of the GCS, but I'd have no problem serving on one - as long as it were actually used as an long-range explorer like it was meant.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:23 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I agree that if some of the more glaring flaws were removed and it was used only as a long range explorer ship it would be quite good. My problem is that it tends to get thrown onto the frontline every five minutes.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:17 pm
by Mikey
Again, the problem is application, not concept... Starfleet's motto.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:23 pm
by Reliant121
I wouldn't mind serving on a GCS.
The bottom line on it: It was not an amazingly well designed ship. True. It was mediocre, middle of the line design standard. It does its job well enough. But it aint perfect.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:55 pm
by Mark
I would assume the first production run of a series USUALLY has some problems. I'm sure that by the time of Nemesis they were into a second or third run, with upgraded components and design flaws mostley worked out. Uprated Galaxy class ships wouldn't have NEARLY the number of proplems that first run ships had. It's amazing that the USS Galaxy herself survived as long as she did. Must have gotten her upgrades pretty quick.
Re: The Motion Picture
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:39 pm
by Sionnach Glic
How long did the Galaxy survive for?