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mlsnoopy wrote:
Exactly. We never seen a torpedo being shoot as a missle. So why do you think that it could be used as a missle.
Because the tubes are obviously not required for a torpedo to actually move, we've seen them change course remember?

500m that for me is very close to the target. And was done by a ship.
And? The Maquis fighters mobbing the Cardie Galor were alot closer than that and she was missing left and right.
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Because the tubes are obviously not required for a torpedo to actually move
But are requied for one to be lunched.
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mlsnoopy wrote: But are requied for one to be lunched.
Why would they be? They.Have.Engines. All that would reasonably be required is a way to move it to the combat zone.
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Why would you want to use them as missiles? Seems awfully risky, no?
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Why would they be? They.Have.Engines
Did we ever see them being used as a missle. Lunched without a tube. We have zero evidence that they can be used like missles. that they can just drop them from the wings and they activate and fly to their targets.
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Bryan Moore wrote:Why would you want to use them as missiles? Seems awfully risky, no?
Anymore risky than them going off in the ship?
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mlsnoopy wrote: Did we ever see them being used as a missle. Lunched without a tube. We have zero evidence that they can be used like missles. that they can just drop them from the wings and they activate and fly to their targets.
Give me a break, it would be trivally easy to do. These are the same weapons that are so modular, a gas sensor can be inserted with no major work.
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Give me a break, it would be trivally easy to do. These are the same weapons that are so modular, a gas sensor can be inserted with no major work.
What you are proposing is a totaly new weapon system not the classic torpedo that we see.
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Give me a break, it would be trivally easy to do. These are the same weapons that are so modular, a gas sensor can be inserted with no major work.
What you are proposing is a totaly new weapon system not the classic torpedo that we see.
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mlsnoopy wrote: What you are proposing is a totaly new weapon system not the classic torpedo that we see.
Don't be obtuse, all that would be required is a hardpoint and software upgrade.

There are weapons today that can be launched from the sea,air or ground. All with minir changes, like the tomahawk, harpoon and exocet.
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Bryan Moore wrote:Why would you want to use them as missiles? Seems awfully risky, no?
Anymore risky than them going off in the ship?
But at least in the ship they're in theory protected by armor...
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Don't be obtuse, all that would be required is a hardpoint and software upgrade.
And a tube.
There are weapons today that can be launched from the sea,air or ground. All with minir changes, like the tomahawk, harpoon and exocet.
And what does that have to do with the point that the torpedo needs a tube to launch it.
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mlsnoopy wrote:
Why would they be? They.Have.Engines
Did we ever see them being used as a missle. Lunched without a tube. We have zero evidence that they can be used like missles. that they can just drop them from the wings and they activate and fly to their targets.
And what does that have to do with the point that the torpedo needs a tube to launch it.
It would be childs play. Torpedoes have been launched from hardpoints on planes since WWII(although they've been replaced by ship to air missles in more modern times) and missles can be launched from subs.
What you are proposing is a totaly new weapon system not the classic torpedo that we see
Except that similar systems are in use today, which would be a few hundred years old by then.
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Bryan Moore wrote:
But at least in the ship they're in theory protected by armor...
Yeah, in theory.
misnoppy wrote: And a tube.
Why?
And what does that have to do with the point that the torpedo needs a tube to launch it.
The fact that we have had the ability to do this since WWI and missiles have been able to be multi-platform since the 1970's. By TNG that will be around 400 years in the future, are you saying that the Trek universe has lost technology?
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aybe I'm asking the wrong questions. If these TIEs do have shields then why do TIEs not have sheilds in the EU?

I'll accept in-universe and out-of-universe answers. Preferably both.
The out of universe reason is easy. West End Games (WEG) made a dice-based game of Star Wars. Due to game mechanics, they gave the fighters no shields (that was so the Imperials could deploy loads of them, yet still give the Rebels a chance at beating them). Combine this fact with the lack of anyone outright stating they have shields in the movies, and the EU writers concluded that TIEs have no shields. When the first batch of writers weren't corrected on their mistake, the consecutive writers also jumped onto that band-wagon. This continued in all subsequent books to the point where it's a well known "fact" that TIEs have no shields.

The in-universe reason is virtualy impossible to get, as there is none. The simple fact is that the writers never took any real care in what they were doing, which resulted in a whole mass of idiotic mistakes (do I really need to bring up the 8KM long Executor idiocy again?).

Still, there's one way of looking at it that could help us rationalise it.
When we treat the fims and novels as canon, we basicaly take it as "they happened, and someone just happened to be there with a camera to record it at the time". Now, if we look at it from the point of view of a historical documentary, then it becomes a lot easier. Some things that are blatantly wrong, such as the lack of TIE shields and the min-SSD, can be put down to New Republic propaganda, designed to make their oponents look weaker than they really were. This also nicely fixes the idea that a bunch of fighters can take on cap-ships and win (I'm looking at you Stackpole).
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