Enterprise J

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:40 am

Remeber that for most of the war Starfleet was losing fast. They were probably throwing everything they could at the front lines just to hold them.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:33 pm

Even if Starfleet was using anything at hand, using those "anything at hand" ships to station at your core worlds would be better than what they're using currently, which seems to be NOTHING!

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:49 pm

But if they dont get through your boarders they dont get to your core worlds.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:57 pm

I agree - that's why you keep your late-model capital ships on the frontiers.

Gerbsbrother · Post by **Gerbsbrother** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:53 am

i don't think it looks very practical in battle unles you plan on ramming your enemy and hoping your ship is so thin it would cut through the enemy

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:24 pm

i don't think it looks very practical in battle unles you plan on ramming your enemy and hoping your ship is so thin it would cut through the enemy

Huh?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:35 pm

He's saying that from a combat orientated point of view, the design is rather poor.
And I have to agree, a single shot could go straight through the hull.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:05 pm

I don't like the fact it looks liek the next Generation NX class not 5 models after the Soverign.

Post by **Graham Kennedy** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:08 pm

Just out of curiosity, does the US Navy keep ships stationed in New York harbour? Does New York harbour have any fixed defences - forts, cannon, missile batteries, etc?

Bryan Moore · Post by **Bryan Moore** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:45 pm

Not to my knowledge. There's coast guard there, and a few naval ships, but it's a civilian port. Which pretty much means not a lot.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:50 am

By the time anything gets near NY harbour it would be hit by like a dozen air strikes.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:59 am

The only thing I know of in NY harbor is the aircraft carrier USS Intrepid, which is retired and has been converted into a museum.

As far as the "J" -
#1 - There is very little design evolution apparent from the latest "current" vessels to the J, which really just shows a lack of effort or care - a case all too common with Enterprise.

#2 - Although we can't say what advances in materials technology may have taken place, the fact is that the J looks fragile. However, we have seen that Starfleet likes to have its ships at least appear non-threatening and peaceable in most cases.

#3 - The main reason I don't like it is that it very simple is grotesque - I mean, just plain ugly.

Post by **Graham Kennedy** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:15 am

Seems to me that, for the most part, the Navy is stationed where you expect trouble. They aren't sitting around to defend the home ports. Similar with starfleet - ships aren't sitting around at Earth, they are off patrolling the Neutral zone and stuff to try and stop trouble before it gets to Earth.

Of course that falls down somewhat; we can get away with not defending New York because we actually know where the threats are almost certain to come from. Whereas in Trek, brand new baddies pop out of nowhere and threaten Earth on a more or less yearly basis.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:00 pm

Yeah but then to get to earth they have to pass through quite bit of our territory.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:36 pm

Teaos wrote:By the time anything gets near NY harbour it would be hit by like a dozen air strikes.

Anything? Or just military aircraft/vessels from a known hostile power? Because I seem to remember a couple of 767s making rather a mess of New York a few years ago.