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Now, taking that into account, letting your ship fall into enemy hands is the worst thing you could possibly do. Therefore, you are obliged to destroy your ship.

No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.

Janeway had the authority to activate the self-destruct on her own.

Evidence?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.

Good.Fragging.Grief. Have you even watched the episode in question? They evacuated via shuttle and escape pods and did inform the Federation, they wouldn't have died with the ship.

Honestly, I don't know why we bother trying to explain things or educate you. You either don't listen or you pick the most retarded/complicated option available without looking at the whole picture. Why are you even here?

No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.

Yeah, because there's no way you can send a message, or fire a probe, or jump into the escape pods, or get into shuttles, etc.

Evidence?

We've seen her do it on her own on numerous occasions. She just tells the computer to activate "Janeway Pi", and off the self-destruct goes to do its job.

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.

Good.Fragging.Grief. Have you even watched the episode in question? They evacuated via shuttle and escape pods and did inform the Federation, they wouldn't have died with the ship.

Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.

Honestly, I don't know why we bother trying to explain things or educate you. You either don't listen or you pick the most retarded/complicated option available without looking at the whole picture. Why are you even here?

There's no need to be rude, just because I disagree with you.

Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.

So? They still wouldn't have the Stargazer, which is the important thing. The crew is expendable in the long run.
And this is a moot point, anyway, as the Ferengi didn't turn up until after the Federation personel were evacuated out of the area. All there'd be left for the Ferengi to find would be a floating debris field.

Blackstar i consider you a friend. But honestly, you are being incredibly dense. We've pretty much blasted your argument to crap. and yet you still keep on going, fighting a hopeless battle.

Back to normality then, eh?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.

The lives of the crew are secondary to the threat the captured information on the ship represents. It's the military, soldiers welfare is quite far down the line of priorites.

There's no need to be rude, just because I disagree with you.

I consider your dishonesty, ignorance and refusal to employ logic or learn to be incredibley insulting. Rather like if somecame up to you and started slinging around furry slurs.

MA wrote: Aboard the Intrepid-class, auto-destruct required the captain's sole authorization. This class had the option of ordering a silent countdown - a single voice prompt would occur at the commencement of the sequence, with no further audio warnings made. (VOY: "Deadlock", "Dreadnought") The authorization proceeded as follows:
Janeway to computer: initiate the self-destruct sequence. Authorization: Janeway Pi 1-1-0. Set at (desired time interval followed by option {e.g. "mute voice warnings"}), enable.

Rochey wrote:Back to normality then, eh?

So much for the week off being a learning experiance...

Did you really expect anything to change?

Rochey wrote:

Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.

So? They still wouldn't have the Stargazer, which is the important thing. The crew is expendable in the long run.

You've got it backwards. Ships like the Stargazer are replaceable, lives are not.

The lives of the crew are secondary to the threat the captured information on the ship represents. It's the military, soldiers welfare is quite far down the line of priorites.

This is Starfleet, not the military. And without soldiers how can a military operate?

You've got it backwards. Ships like the Stargazer are replaceable, lives are not.

Wrong. The Stargazer is worth more than the crew's lives. Especialy in this instance. It'd be far too dangerous to let it fall into enemy hands, therefore the crew is expendable to keep it out of the enemy's grasp.

Of course, this entire point is completely moot. Why? Because Picard didn't have to choose between saving his crew and leaving the ship, or destroying the ship and killing the crew. He could have set the self-destruct, hopped into a shuttle with the rest of the crew and waited for rescue as the Stargazer blew up.

This is Starfleet, not the military. And without soldiers how can a military operate?

Wow. That's incredible. You first state that Starfleet is not a military organisation, then a few words later reffer to it as a military. Nice contradiction.

Okay, then. If Starfleet isn't the Federation's military, then what is?

The Stargazer is worth more than the crew's lives. Especialy in this instance. It'd be far too dangerous to let it fall into enemy hands

Bullshit. It's an outdated vessel that got it's ass handed to it and only won from a combination of a risky manuvour and pure dumb luck. I'd hardly classify that as a dangerous enemy.

He could have set the self-destruct

You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.

then a few words later reffer to it as a military. Nice contradiction

Actually I was refering to military's in general.

Bullshit. It's an outdated vessel that got it's ass handed to it and only won from a combination of a risky manuvour and pure dumb luck. I'd hardly classify that as a dangerous enemy.

Irrelevant. It was a Federation ship. It had highly valuable information in its computers. It had Federation weapons on board. It had science equipment, reactors, propulsion systems, sensors, communications, replicators and thousands of other things. Allowing it to fall into enemy hands will allow the enemy to study your technology. That is a very bad thing in war.
Ergo, allowing it to fall into enemy hands is stupid. Picard failed in his duties big time at that point.

You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.

There's nothing to suggest it was damaged.

Rochey wrote:

You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.

There's nothing to suggest it was damaged.

You mean, other then the fact he didn't use it? If it was as easy to use as you seem to think it is then why didn't he use it?