No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.Now, taking that into account, letting your ship fall into enemy hands is the worst thing you could possibly do. Therefore, you are obliged to destroy your ship.
Evidence?Janeway had the authority to activate the self-destruct on her own.
Good.Fragging.Grief. Have you even watched the episode in question? They evacuated via shuttle and escape pods and did inform the Federation, they wouldn't have died with the ship.Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.
Yeah, because there's no way you can send a message, or fire a probe, or jump into the escape pods, or get into shuttles, etc.No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.
We've seen her do it on her own on numerous occasions. She just tells the computer to activate "Janeway Pi", and off the self-destruct goes to do its job.Evidence?
Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.Cpl Kendall wrote:Good.Fragging.Grief. Have you even watched the episode in question? They evacuated via shuttle and escape pods and did inform the Federation, they wouldn't have died with the ship.Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
No, you're obliged to warn your government about a new unknown enemy and you can't do that it you're dead.
There's no need to be rude, just because I disagree with you.Honestly, I don't know why we bother trying to explain things or educate you. You either don't listen or you pick the most retarded/complicated option available without looking at the whole picture. Why are you even here?
So? They still wouldn't have the Stargazer, which is the important thing. The crew is expendable in the long run.Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.
The lives of the crew are secondary to the threat the captured information on the ship represents. It's the military, soldiers welfare is quite far down the line of priorites.Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.
I consider your dishonesty, ignorance and refusal to employ logic or learn to be incredibley insulting. Rather like if somecame up to you and started slinging around furry slurs.There's no need to be rude, just because I disagree with you.
MA wrote: Aboard the Intrepid-class, auto-destruct required the captain's sole authorization. This class had the option of ordering a silent countdown - a single voice prompt would occur at the commencement of the sequence, with no further audio warnings made. (VOY: "Deadlock", "Dreadnought") The authorization proceeded as follows:
Janeway to computer: initiate the self-destruct sequence. Authorization: Janeway Pi 1-1-0. Set at (desired time interval followed by option {e.g. "mute voice warnings"}), enable.
So much for the week off being a learning experiance...Rochey wrote:Back to normality then, eh?
You've got it backwards. Ships like the Stargazer are replaceable, lives are not.Rochey wrote:So? They still wouldn't have the Stargazer, which is the important thing. The crew is expendable in the long run.Yes, and if the Ferengi showed up before they destroyed the ship they'd be dead or exploited as hostages.
This is Starfleet, not the military. And without soldiers how can a military operate?The lives of the crew are secondary to the threat the captured information on the ship represents. It's the military, soldiers welfare is quite far down the line of priorites.
Wrong. The Stargazer is worth more than the crew's lives. Especialy in this instance. It'd be far too dangerous to let it fall into enemy hands, therefore the crew is expendable to keep it out of the enemy's grasp.You've got it backwards. Ships like the Stargazer are replaceable, lives are not.
Wow. That's incredible. You first state that Starfleet is not a military organisation, then a few words later reffer to it as a military. Nice contradiction.This is Starfleet, not the military. And without soldiers how can a military operate?
Bullshit. It's an outdated vessel that got it's ass handed to it and only won from a combination of a risky manuvour and pure dumb luck. I'd hardly classify that as a dangerous enemy.The Stargazer is worth more than the crew's lives. Especialy in this instance. It'd be far too dangerous to let it fall into enemy hands
You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.He could have set the self-destruct
Actually I was refering to military's in general.then a few words later reffer to it as a military. Nice contradiction
Irrelevant. It was a Federation ship. It had highly valuable information in its computers. It had Federation weapons on board. It had science equipment, reactors, propulsion systems, sensors, communications, replicators and thousands of other things. Allowing it to fall into enemy hands will allow the enemy to study your technology. That is a very bad thing in war.Bullshit. It's an outdated vessel that got it's ass handed to it and only won from a combination of a risky manuvour and pure dumb luck. I'd hardly classify that as a dangerous enemy.
There's nothing to suggest it was damaged.You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.
You mean, other then the fact he didn't use it? If it was as easy to use as you seem to think it is then why didn't he use it?Rochey wrote:There's nothing to suggest it was damaged.You're assuming the self-destruct was still online.
