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Teaos wrote:

Seafort wrote:the Romulan drone arc

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I know we've disagreed on a lot of points but I never would have expected this from you...

Did you just claim the super, cloaked, hologrammed, Romulan ship was a GOOD thing?

Enterprise woudln't have surprised me if they re-used the Scimitar model in an episode involving Romulans. Their relative lack of budgetary constraints compared to earlier Trek series is probably the only reason they didn't work it in somehow.

If that had happened, I really would've felt compelled to travel to Cali and toss a bag of poo at B&B.

Every day for six weeks.

I doubt even Striker could defend that.

Teaos wrote:I doubt even Striker could defend that.

Striker's a good guy. But if it had really happened, yeah, I'm sure we could come up with SOMETHING lame to excuse it. The Romulans went through a Dark Age after the Earth-Romulan War and lost the ability to build ships that powerful until the late 24th century. They got it from their great-great-great-great-great grandchildren via a temporal cold war faction! It travelled back into the past because it tried to warp past a star at warp 9.9. The possibilities are endless! And it would let us re-use the model!

Sorry, I guess I have a very cynical attitude about Enterprise.

Duskofdead wrote:...Sorry, I guess I have a very cynical attitude about Enterprise.

Seriously, I don't think any of us are happy about how it turned out.

It is almost the worst case of canon bashing seen in any trek show.

Teaos wrote:

Seafort wrote:the Romulan drone arc

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I know we've disagreed on a lot of points but I never would have expected this from you...

Did you just claim the super, cloaked, hologrammed, Romulan ship was a GOOD thing?

No - I'm claiming that the first major appearence of the Tellarites since "Journey to Babel", the reinforcement of the Vulcan arc's depiction of the NX-01 as a catalyst for resolving old rivalries, and the first hints of the Grand Alliance of the Romulan War were good things.

It could certainly have been improved upon - the final part of the arc was considerably weaker than the other two, the actual threat left much to be desired, and showing the threat destroyed by an allied fleet would driven home the point of the alliance being formed, but overall it was a good arc.

I guess I just cant over look such an obvious lack of respect for continuity as the Romulan drone ship.

I think a big problem I also have with Enterprise is I wanted it to be about humans going out and claiming their own chuck of this Galaxy.

Someone tells us we cant do something like the Vulcans did we tell them to fuck off! We're humans and no one tells us what to do. We grab the Alpha quadrant by the bulls and MAKE them respect us.

Who defeated the Romulan empire, Humans.

Who brough a coalition of species together to ensure that no one fucks with them again humans.

Who advanced more in 150 years than the Vucans and other species did in millenia, Humans.

Who made sure no one would fuck with any our our friends so long as we're around, Humans.


Enterprise destroyed any notion of humans being anthing but half decent diplomats.

There was no boldly going, there was a timid first step. A painfully slow and careful crawl into space.

Why the hell any species, especially established empires that had been around for hundreds of years, would want to join a Federation with the pathetic race we see in Enterprise is beyond me.

*Canon stomping.

*Stupid plots.

*Pathetic attempts at sexing up the show.

*Turning humans into a pathetic weak race.

God I almost wish the Romulans won the damn war, at least they are interesting.

Frankly I'd rather have cancer than watch this sack of crotch droppings.

Stop holding back Teaos, tell us what you really think

Just to save me the bother of going back and finding the right episodes - was the Vulcan/Romulan shared heritage ever discovered, or mentioned in the show.

As I understood it, Spock - and therefore presumably the majority of Vulcans - had no idea the Romulans were an off shoot of their race. Though I'd expect the Vulcan leaders to keep that well covered up.

Of course they would.

Well, Enterprise could have been worse.
They could have had tractorbeams on the ship (I personally liked the idea of the grapler), Ferengi, Borg and holodecks (oh wait, they did have the last three ).

kostmayer wrote:Stop holding back Teaos, tell us what you really think

Just to save me the bother of going back and finding the right episodes - was the Vulcan/Romulan shared heritage ever discovered, or mentioned in the show.

As I understood it, Spock - and therefore presumably the majority of Vulcans - had no idea the Romulans were an off shoot of their race. Though I'd expect the Vulcan leaders to keep that well covered up.

Supposedly they'd parted ways what, a thousand, 1,500 years prior? The idea that some Vulcans were out there and part of a big space empire would probably surprise them just as much as us finding out the Toltecs or any other group which mysteriously disappeared from history had actually colonized the moon.

The grapplers and the need to decompress the shuttlebay, rather than having forcefields were among the few things the first couple of seasons got right.

Yeah, and then they just had to have transporters that everyone felt fine using after a while.

They treated the transporters just right in "Broken Bow" - it'd recently been approved for living beings and was mistrusted by most people.

Then they went and used it every other episode.

Great line when the captain was transported, about being sorry but having no choice. And then, only Hoshi was afraid (kinda like McKoy). Stupid whoever is resposible for such attrocities.