Seafort wrote:I'm talking about the weapons pod - the fact that its connection to the pylon has such a small area minimises the number of connections (power lines, computer lines, turbolifts, etc) that could pass through it, and makes it a structural weak point. The best explanation for this apparent weakness is that it's designed to support numerous designs of pod, depending on the mission - the weapons pod is simply the one we've seen most of.
I don't remember but did we see any other pod on that pylon.
Seafort wrote:By and large, the bigger a sensor is the more powerful it is, and therefore the longer its range will be. However, the emissions of a particularly powerful system could be harmful to the ship and its crew, and being contained within the hull (usually behind the deflector dish) would severely reduce the area of sky it could cover. Therefore it makes sense to hold the array as far clear as is feasible.
Again you make a reasonable response but we only see one such Nebula. That tells me that the SP variant had a limited run and was possibly later refitted with the WP. So the SP probably didn't offer any huge advantage over a standard sensor.
Seafort wrote:I'd put the Defiant 7th, with the Ambassador coming in about level with the Nebula and Akira - it's an old ship, but it's big, and the E-C evidently put up a decent showing against four Warbirds. I also reckon the Prommie would probably be weaker the Galaxy, because of its small size.
The original version not, but if it would be upgrade with the GSC systems than you would be right.
The prommi its hull is only something like 50-100m shorter then the Sov and has the same weapons than the sov, and let us not forget the MVAM (where it doesn't make sense it's effective in universe).
ultron2099 wrote:There is more to a ship's effectiveness then its rated combat power. Remember in the mirror universe, one lone defiant class vessel built by the free humans on torrok nor (aka ds9) took on a vessel approximate to the neg'var and forced it to retreat.
You know that it was specially stated that the mirror universe Neg'var had problems hitting anything up close.
Deepcrush wrote:This is crap served on a stick. Only the Sov is rated above the Defiant. There are a few ships close to the Defiant. The Prommie, Lakota, Upgraded GCS, Upgraded Nebula and Akira are the nearest compitition. The thought of someone saying that there are a fleet of ships that could kick the Defiant's ass is just silly. Read the DITL ratings, watch the show, do some math and rethink that statement.
Its reasoning based on what we see. The first impressions were grate, you know it just cut its way past the bugs, but later in the war the BOP were able to do the same thing. As I said before "SOA" after 2h of fighting it lost its shields, and it received fire mostly from the bugs. The GSC were right up next to it yet they survived for 5h. QT: GSC, Nebula, Akira, can each fire at least 20 PT at a target. So if the QT are not 5 times stronger than a PT all of these ships deliver more firepower.
Cpl Kendall wrote:Did I say that? No, in fact the Miranda class were the hardest hit ships in the entire fleet. What I am saying is that we don't know how those other ships fared, chances are that they lost their shields as well. Defiant is also in the thick of everything in practically every engagement. And if you watch the show, you'll note that she came out on top in every one save when the Breen originally showed up.
You asked what I base that on. It was the hero ship. But rating it 2nd is wrong. I said before firs impressions were great but after looking through the battle scenes I concluded that is nothing special.
Deepcrush wrote:This tells me you haven't seen the shows or movies... you forgot the Sov.
The Akira would snow walk a GCS unless you're talking about the Uprated. Even then its still a tie. At range the Akira would own where up close the GCS would do better with its fair bit of phaser power. The Nebula could most likely be later upgraded to surpass the Akira. The Upgraded GCS is just not going to be able to keep up with the times as well as the newer designs. The Defiant is just a flying Phaser Cannon with a few QTs for good measure added on.
I know that I misspelled the sov.
You are basing the fact that the Akira would snow walk the GSC on what. Surely not on the non canon statement that it has 15 tubes. You are forgetting that its established several times that the GSC are the most powerful ships in the fleet. And even if we take that the Akira has 15 tubes why would we assume that they are 10 shots like the GSC.
The Nebulas what is the torpedo tube load out without the WP. And what kind of tube are carried in the WP. We just don't know. But if we go by the statement that GSC are the most powerful ships than the tubes can't be 10 shots. Where I agree that the WP makes it easy to be upgraded with QT.
GSC upgrade you mean the Venture. But if you would be able to upgrade it with the sov technology and if it can grow a few extra tubes than why wouldn't it be able to keep up with the rest of the fleet.