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Mark wrote:There are several dozen different technobabble ways that could have been achieved.

Such as what? A solid lump of metal can't have a variable frequency, such as we saw from those torps.

navagational deflector shields, which aren't really significant against incoming attacks (unless they're lasers I guess).

Don't start. For one, if they can stop lasers of a given power then they can stop anything else of that power, and secondly the ship is far from immune to laser fire - there were several instances of the E-D being threatened by laser-armed craft.

We've seen no evidence of combat shields on a torp, so...

We've also seen no sign of torpedoes being fired on, although that seems to be more of a problem with hitting a small, fast, manoeuvring target than anything else

Didn't Voyager hit a torpedo and detonate it for Area affect?

Reliant121 wrote:Didn't Voyager hit a torpedo and detonate it for Area affect?

Was it being fired at the ship, or from it with the specific intention of being remote-detonated by phaser fire? If it's the latter then it doesn't count - it would have been reprogrammed to fly straight and level and to switch off any ECM.

Such as what? A solid lump of metal can't have a variable frequency, such as we saw from those torps.

Installing a frequency modulator projector, or a poloron decoupler, or a frequency mimicer????

Don't start. For one, if they can stop lasers of a given power then they can stop anything else of that power, and secondly the ship is far from immune to laser fire - there were several instances of the E-D being threatened by laser-armed craft.

Not pertenint to the topic at hand. However, as it was never explained why modern starfleet nav shields are so effective against lasers we can't know for certain if its a matter of sheer power, or some side effect of the tech employed. And the whole statement about lasers came WHILE the E-D was being threatened by said ships with lasers.

We've also seen no sign of torpedoes being fired on, although that seems to be more of a problem with hitting a small, fast, manoeuvring target than anything else

Aside from the exception Reliant just noted, I can't think of any examples myself. As as you've just noted, they are small and rapidly manuvering. It doesn't seem logical to put combat shields on a fire and forget torp.

Mark wrote:Installing a frequency modulator projector, or a poloron decoupler, or a frequency mimicer?

In English please.

However, as it was never explained why modern starfleet nav shields are so effective against lasers we can't know for certain if its a matter of sheer power, or some side effect of the tech employed.

Yes we can - if they can stop lasers of a given power it means they can dissipate energy at at least that rate, therefore they can stop other weapons of that power.

And the whole statement about lasers came WHILE the E-D was being threatened by said ships with lasers.

No it wasn't - they were simply pointing their weapons at it. It wasn't threatened, hence the comment about the uselessness of their weapons.

We've also seen no sign of torpedoes being fired on, although that seems to be more of a problem with hitting a small, fast, manoeuvring target than anything else

Aside from the exception Reliant just noted, I can't think of any examples myself. As as you've just noted, they are small and rapidly manuvering. It doesn't seem logical to put combat shields on a fire and forget torp.[/quote]

DarkMoineau wrote:It's the same shield or not?

No, it wasn't the same to start with. Please read the topic before trying to razz someone.

In English please

That's the joy of technobabble. It rarely makes sense. I'm just pointing out there are alternate ways they could have justified getting a torp through the E-Ds shields.

Yes we can - if they can stop lasers of a given power it means they can dissipate energy at at least that rate, therefore they can stop other weapons of that power

Your assuming that laser and phaser tech are basically the same. But we have no proof that they are. In fact, the science behind what little we see supports a big difference. The point I'm trying to make is this. We don't know why lasers are not effective against Starfleet shields. It could be something intristic in the shield design. An analogy for you. A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet traveling hundreds of feet per second, so you'd assume it would stop a knife thrust coming much slower with less force. And you'd be wrong.

Rather then trying to flood a couple dozen tractor beam emitters with power. I'd rather that power go to recharging the shields and weapons.

For PDWs, simple is best. Energy blasts are going to be very costly to counter with anything other then shields. Enemy warheads are the biggest threat since a large fleet could just skip fighting the Battlestar up close and try to take her out at range.

Deepcrush wrote:

DarkMoineau wrote:It's the same shield or not?

No, it wasn't the same to start with. Please read the topic before trying to razz someone.

Oh ?? YOU haven't said this was the same shield for easier repair?

Well, my positronic brain need repairs on the memory system ^^

Mark wrote:An analogy for you. A bullet proof vest will stop a bullet traveling hundreds of feet per second, so you'd assume it would stop a knife thrust coming much slower with less force. And you'd be wrong.

Poor analogy - if I'd been discussing the energy of the beam, then it would have been a good point (although you're wrong about the force issue - a knife is moving slowly, but it's also got several dozen kilos behind it). However, I'm discussing power so a better comparison would have been pressure, which is far greater for a knife that a bullet.

That's the joy of technobabble. It rarely makes sense. I'm just pointing out there are alternate ways they could have justified getting a torp through the E-Ds shields.

None of which we have any evidence even exist. Based on that, the only form of technology we've seen that can be reasonably applied is shielding.

The Raptor had a weaker shield system in my original version, as she's mainly a scout, rescue, or second line ship. She's not a front line fighter. I think both you Dark, and Deep suggested they be the same strength, which I corrected.

So what's next here?

Have we finished with the tac/def systems?

We have support ships now. The basic structure and frame work is done.

Once the tac sytems are finished we'll need to calculate some DITL scores.

Well we brought up the idea of (a) using tractor beams, (b) using low powered phasers and micro PTs as PDWs, (c) adding more DS9 turrets. We need to figure this before moving. Below I placed what I thought were the TOP THREE options for us.

Tractor Beam Defense
Pros - Helpful in trapping an enemy ship in place in order to make targeting easier. Allows the deflection of enemy fire. Reduces enemy targeting ability.

Cons - Requires large amounts of power that could be placed into shields and weapons.

Low power Phasers and Micro PTLs as PDWs
Pros - Engages soft targets to allow heavy weapons the freedom to attack hard targets without distraction.

Cons - Requires more space for weaker ammunition. Is largely useless against ships of Cruiser size or more.

DS9 Turrets
Pros - Greatly improved firepower.

Cons - Requires greatly increased amounts of power and space.

Tractor beams don't seems to be enough for me,

the b seems to be the moderate way, maybe the better.