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Or it could be hitting a piece of debris in the fighter's shadow. They were still in the Alderaan system where a planet had been blown up.

Look at the pictures again. It's quite clear that there's nothing there. Unless the bolt itself is designed to explode, then it hit a shield.

Rochey wrote:

Or it could be hitting a piece of debris in the fighter's shadow. They were still in the Alderaan system where a planet had been blown up.

Look at the pictures again. It's quite clear that there's nothing there. Unless the bolt itself is designed to explode, then it hit a shield.

And because of one screen cap we should throw out every other incident of a TIE not having shields in Star Wars canon?

While we're at it we should assume that all GCS' have a phaser that shoots out of the forward torpedoe tube.

And because of one screen cap we should throw out every other incident of a TIE not having shields in Star Wars canon?

Where have TIEs ever been indicated to be lacking shields? When hit they react exactly the same as shielded X-Wings. Also, the asteroid chase scene in ESB also has implications of TIE shielding.
The only place the TIEs were ever said to be lacking shielding is in the EU.

Rochey wrote:

And because of one screen cap we should throw out every other incident of a TIE not having shields in Star Wars canon?

Where have TIEs ever been indicated to be lacking shields? When hit they react exactly the same as shielded X-Wings. Also, the asteroid chase scene in ESB also has implications of TIE shielding.
The only place the TIEs were ever said to be lacking shielding is in the EU.

Say what? TIEs went down with one hit. X-Wings were seen surviving, at least initially, laser blasts. See: Red 3. Sometimes they did go on to crash a few seconds later. And what about the chase seen implied that they had shields? You're gonna need something more then one screen cap to convince me that TIEs have shields.

Say what? TIEs went down with one hit. X-Wings were seen surviving, at least initially, laser blasts. See: Red 3.

Wrong. We saw precisely three X-Wing fighters take more than one hit and survive: Red 3, as you pointed out, who took a glancing blow to the engines and was forced to withdraw, Red 5 who had his astromech wrecked, and Red Leader whose engines were knocked out completely.
All other X-Wing fighters, including all of the more heavily shielded Y-Wings, went down to single hits.
TIEs also go down in single hits, in much the same fashion as the Alliance fighters.

And what about the chase seen implied that they had shields? You're gonna need something more then one screen cap to convince me that TIEs have shields.

I saw some caps from the scene in question on another site where you see similar effects to the ones shown above. I'll take a look and see if they're still there.

Aha, found 'em!
Taken from the asteroid chase scene:


Frame 1: TIE clips an asteroid with it's lower port wing. Note the blue-white glow.

Frame 2: Note that the flash is now quite similar to the previous shots posted in this thread.

Frame 3

Frame 4: The TIE now spins away, but the rock it hit continues to glow. This shouldn't be happening if it was just a simple KE collision. From the visuals it appears to have just had a whole load of energy pumped into it. Slamming into a shield would supply that energy.

Frame 5: The glow still continues on the the asteroid, but is noticeable dying down.

Frame 6: Glow is further reduced.

Frame 7: Glow all but gone.

Frame 8: Glow all but gone completely, and the asteroid is no longer there. At all. There are no fragments, and no debris. The asteroid appears to have been completely vapourised.
Now, where have we seen this before?

In this shot, an asteroid collides with an ISD's shields, resulting in the vapourisation of the asteroid, and a similar glow to the one's we saw in Seafort's pictures, and just now in my own. It should also be noted that virtualy all other TIE/asteroid impacts during the Hoth chase scene exhibit the same glow upon impact, meaning that this is not just a fluke event, it happened with all of them.

So, we now know that the visuals match a shield impact almost perfectly. The fact that the stricken asteroid vapourised upon impact with the TIE in an identical way to the one that struck the ISD further indicates links between the two events.
There, canon proof that TIEs have shields.

Another indication of shields comes from common sense. As we saw, the Hoth asteroid field is incredibly dense, with fragments shooting out everywhere. With the speeds they were going at, the TIEs should have been torn to shreds from impacts with micro-meteorites. They weren't, and only went down to impact from much larger rocks. From this alone we can reach two conclusions:
1) TIEs are unshielded, but built out of some ridiculously strong materials.
2) TIEs are shielded, and so were able to survive impacts with smaller rocks.
If we take into account the evidence posted above, the only sensible conclusion we can reach is that the EU is completely wrong, and that TIEs do in fact have shields.

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If we take into account the evidence posted above, the only sensible conclusion we can reach is that the EU is completely wrong, and that TIEs do in fact have shields.

Or that Darth Vader's fleet carried a squadren of sheilded TIEs, or equipped them with such because they were in a star system with an astreroid belt and knew the rebels might try to hide in there. Not an unreasonable assumtion since Darth Vader is supposed to be a great military leader.

Also, about the first clip, you say the shot was no where near the body of the fighter so it couldn't of exploded, which is suggested by that frame, and you claim that's why it must have impacted its shield. But my question is why would they be sheilding an area that far away from the body? Seems like a waste of energy to me.

Or that Darth Vader's fleet carried a squadren of sheilded TIEs, or equipped them with such because they were in a star system with an astreroid belt and knew the rebels might try to hide in there. Not an unreasonable assumtion since Darth Vader is supposed to be a great military leader.

Possible, but unlikely.

Firstly, there were no observed modifications to the TIEs themselves. There was nothing added on outside, we can see that, so if there was something added it would have to be inside. The cockpit is simply too small to hold a shield generator, which means it would have to be elsewhere. Assuming this module is removable as you say it is, then there'd have to be just a big gap already in the ship wasting space. If the TIEs weren't meant to have shield in the first place, then why leave part of the hull empty, particularly when you're making a fighter that's supposed to be small and compact? You'd be making the ship larger to accomadate a feature that you don't plan on using in most circumstances.

Secondly, the pics Seafort posted indicated that this vessel also had shields. So if it was an add-on modification, it obviously wasn't done purely for chasing through asteroid fields.

Also, about the first clip, you say the shot was no where near the body of the fighter so it couldn't of exploded, which is suggested by that frame, and you claim that's why it must have impacted its shield. But my question is why would they be sheilding an area that far away from the body? Seems like a waste of energy to me.

Yes, it's a waste of power. But it's an even greater waste of resources to throw a pilot out into combat with no protection at all.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:Also, about the first clip, you say the shot was no where near the body of the fighter so it couldn't of exploded, which is suggested by that frame, and you claim that's why it must have impacted its shield. But my question is why would they be sheilding an area that far away from the body? Seems like a waste of energy to me.

It wasn't that far from the main body, and was certainly between the radiators, so I'd say it's evidence that the shields may be projected further from the hull than is typical of rebel fighters or heavier ships, extending directly between the radiators.

Maybe I'm asking the wrong questions. If these TIEs do have shields then why do TIEs not have sheilds in the EU?

I'll accept in-universe and out-of-universe answers. Preferably both.

mlsnoopy wrote:


And how do you lunche them. As far as I know torpedos don't have their own engines. I belive you need a tube.

What do those two round depressions look like?

We've also seen them change coures, there's no reason why they couldn't be hung from the wings like a missile.

What do those two round depressions look like?

Thrusters

there's no reason why they couldn't be hung from the wings like a missile.

Only that they have never been lunched as a missile, but allways as a torpedo.

mlsnoopy wrote:
Thrusters

Thrusters, that face in one direction, making them an engine.

Only that they have never been lunched as a missile, but allways as a torpedo.

And? The tube obviously performs a function, like accelerating the torpedo away from the ship before the engine ignites, giving it a boost of speed. That wouldn't be required for a fighter, which can get closer to the target.

The tube obviously performs a function

Exactly. We never seen a torpedo being shoot as a missle. So why do you think that it could be used as a missle.

which can get closer to the target

500m that for me is very close to the target. And was done by a ship.