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I'm not a big fan. I watch it on occasion and think it has its moments, but way too much down time and a slow plot. I'm fine with dialogue movies (I love My Dinner with Andre) and am fine with art flicks (Thin Red Line, the New World, etc) but this doesn't keep me intrigued the way other movies of similar scope do. I understand its relevance and importance, but importance does not equal greatness. I understand Aerosmith's contribution to rock and roll, but would rather gouge out my own eyes and fill the sockets with blueberry yogurt than listen to them.

The fly by and when they approach V'ger are all far to long. When first watching it I was bored and on re watches it is even worse.

Bryan Moore wrote:I'm not a big fan. I watch it on occasion and think it has its moments, but way too much down time and a slow plot. I'm fine with dialogue movies (I love My Dinner with Andre) and am fine with art flicks (Thin Red Line, the New World, etc) but this doesn't keep me intrigued the way other movies of similar scope do. I understand its relevance and importance, but importance does not equal greatness. I understand Aerosmith's contribution to rock and roll, but would rather gouge out my own eyes and fill the sockets with blueberry yogurt than listen to them.

ooooh kinky.

Wait - Bryan, you don't like Aerosmith?!

#1 - you're evil.

#2 - don't make that public - you might be evicted from New England.

Bryan Moore wrote:I'm not a big fan. I watch it on occasion and think it has its moments, but way too much down time and a slow plot. I'm fine with dialogue movies (I love My Dinner with Andre) and am fine with art flicks (Thin Red Line, the New World, etc) but this doesn't keep me intrigued the way other movies of similar scope do. I understand its relevance and importance, but importance does not equal greatness. I understand Aerosmith's contribution to rock and roll, but would rather gouge out my own eyes and fill the sockets with blueberry yogurt than listen to them.

But it sounds like you'd fit right in at an Areosmith show

Mark wrote: But it sounds like you'd fit right in at an Areosmith show

I thought the eye gouge/yogurt was a pre-requiste for looking upon Tyler.

Stephen Tyler is an inspiration. He looks like a largemouthed bass with the body of a Rwandan refugee, yet he still banged Barbi Benton.

BTW - Aerosmith shows aren't really rough or violent. They tend to attract more of a classic rock crown than a hardcore one. But they still, even at their advanced age (their first album came out the year before I was born) rock like hell.

I am not a huge Aerosmith fan but I do like some of their stuff. I also like the fact that the guys don't seem to take themselves too seriously.

I used to own Permanent Vacation on tape and I like some of their older tunes (Dream On, their cover of Come Together, Lightning Strikes), but I'm not really crazy about their later stuff (I do admit Falling In Love Is Hard On The Knees is a fun tune).

When they switched over to Columbia Records, their work seemed to take a nose dive, although they started to pick it back up after a bit - "Rag Doll," "The Other Side," etc. came from that era. I'm not a fan of the mater ballad-type stuff - "Crying," "Crazy," are not my cup of tea. But the ol' skool stuff like "Mama Kin," Sweet Emotion," "Dream On," "Movin' Out," Last Child," "Back in the Saddle," "Train Kept a-Rolling," etc., etc. are some of the greates tracks in rock.

Mikey wrote:When they switched over to Columbia Records, their work seemed to take a nose dive, although they started to pick it back up after a bit - "Rag Doll," "The Other Side," etc. came from that era. I'm not a fan of the mater ballad-type stuff - "Crying," "Crazy," are not my cup of tea. But the ol' skool stuff like "Mama Kin," Sweet Emotion," "Dream On," "Movin' Out," Last Child," "Back in the Saddle," "Train Kept a-Rolling," etc., etc. are some of the greates tracks in rock.

We are on the same page when it comes to the ballads. Power ballads, in general, are crap. I do not think I have ever heard a power ballad I liked.

katefan wrote:

Mikey wrote:When they switched over to Columbia Records, their work seemed to take a nose dive, although they started to pick it back up after a bit - "Rag Doll," "The Other Side," etc. came from that era. I'm not a fan of the mater ballad-type stuff - "Crying," "Crazy," are not my cup of tea. But the ol' skool stuff like "Mama Kin," Sweet Emotion," "Dream On," "Movin' Out," Last Child," "Back in the Saddle," "Train Kept a-Rolling," etc., etc. are some of the greates tracks in rock.

We are on the same page when it comes to the ballads. Power ballads, in general, are crap. I do not think I have ever heard a power ballad I liked.

As I respond to this post, I have Areosmith playing on my PC here at work, and I am jumping on you alls band wagon. Have a couple of power ballads on my USB drive, and I always end up fast forwarding to the next track.

Well, yes: I think that TMP is really underrated. Granted, it has its lengths but it is really great in its disregard of violence. I generally prefer the TOS-Crew-Movies, because they treat the starships as huge starships and not glorified fighters (like the TNG movies and even more DS9 do). And you can see a developement among (most of the) caracters.

Mithrandir wrote:Well, yes: I think that TMP is really underrated. Granted, it has its lengths but it is really great in its disregard of violence. I generally prefer the TOS-Crew-Movies, because they treat the starships as huge starships and not glorified fighters (like the TNG movies and even more DS9 do). And you can see a developement among (most of the) caracters.

That is one element of later Star Trek that truly annoys me. TMP and ST II really give you an idea that these ships are large, and when they fight it feels more like battleships trading broadsides rather than, like you said, star fighters whizzing around.

And I was under the impression that these ships could take a beating. You watch DS9 and it just seemed like ships fell apart with ease...unless you were a ship with a major character on board. Like someone pointed out elsewhere, the E-D was incredibly fragile, while Khan's Reliant took a horrible pounding and kept going.

katefan wrote: That is one element of later Star Trek that truly annoys me. TMP and ST II really give you an idea that these ships are large, and when they fight it feels more like battleships trading broadsides rather than, like you said, star fighters whizzing around.

And I was under the impression that these ships could take a beating. You watch DS9 and it just seemed like ships fell apart with ease...unless you were a ship with a major character on board. Like someone pointed out elsewhere, the E-D was incredibly fragile, while Khan's Reliant took a horrible pounding and kept going.

My point precisely!

Yeah thats one thing I will give TOS, it had a more grand feel to its battles.