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Re: What did we like
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:24 pm
by Aaron
Rochey wrote:I've nothing against the actors, it's the characters I have a problem with.
We know at least that Bakula can act quite well. I'm sure everyone on here in my age bracket has seen
Quantum Leap (and if you haven't than turn in your geek card) and he was excellent in that. You can only do so much with shite writing though, even Stewart and Spiner could only do so much with INS and NEM. And those two are some of the best actors in Trek.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:54 pm
by Mark
You know what would have made of an interesting bit. Jonathan Archer standing on the bridge, suddenly caught in a bright blue light. When it fades, have his first words as, "oh boy". I used to joke with some friends that they should have done a "Quantum Leap" and "Enterprise" crossover. After all, Dr. Beckett WAS supposed to move on to more difficult leaps at the end of the series.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:39 am
by RK_Striker_JK_5
I liked the characters. Trip's a hick? McCoy's a luddite. And an inconsistent one at that.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:12 am
by Teaos
People rag on Reed but I think he did an ok job at it. He wasnt nearly as 2D as Mayweather.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:28 pm
by Reliant121
I dont see why Trip was that bad. he actually did fairly well, even if his accent and background was so annoying. Since when was Phlox mass murdering or did i miss the entire series, which i didnt.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:34 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I dont see why Trip was that bad. he actually did fairly well, even if his accent and background was so annoying
The fact that he was a racist had a fair bit to do with me disliking him, too.
Since when was Phlox mass murdering or did i miss the entire series, which i didnt.
Dear Doctor
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:42 pm
by Reliant121
1) that review is the most negative pile of crap i have read in my life.
2) If i remember correctly, Phlox states it is genetic and that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible to provide a cure for the disease. So how is he mass murdering if he cant do anything about it.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:59 pm
by Sionnach Glic
1) that review is the most negative pile of crap i have read in my life.
And? Yes, it's negative. So is virtualy every review of that episode. How can you possibly make a positive review about an episode where the main characters congratulate themselves for committing what is in effect genocide?
More importantly, the fact that it's negative does not detract from the validity of the review itself. Everything in the episode happened as the author stated it there. Phlox and Archer committed genocide. There's no way of getting around that.
2) If i remember correctly, Phlox states it is genetic and that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible to provide a cure for the disease. So how is he mass murdering if he cant do anything about it.
He already
had the cure. He refused to hand it over to Archer, and then convinced the idiot that it would be better to let them all die off instead.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:01 pm
by Reliant121
I thought it was something that allieviates the symptoms, not a cure.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:02 pm
by Sionnach Glic
No, I'm certain it was a cure. It would need to be for the writers to get the whole "moral dilema" thing they wanted.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:04 pm
by Aaron
Reliant121 wrote:I thought it was something that allieviates the symptoms, not a cure.
Dear Doctor wrote:
Later that evening, Archer is mulling over the situation in the crew mess. Phlox enters and makes small talk (when we learn that Denobians hibernates for six days each year). Archer asks about the progress of Phlox's medical research. Phlox says that he thinks it is incorrect to be helping the Valakians - that the Menk are supposed to survive, and will only be allowed to properly evolve and prosper if they are not tied to the Valakians. Phlox explains that the "disease" is actually an inherent flaw in Valakian DNA; they've reached an evolutionary dead end. Archer demands a cure for the Valakians, saying he doesn't agree with Phlox's point of view.
Phlox reveals that he already has a cure.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:05 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Ah, thanks.
So, in short, Phlox is a genocidal mass-murderer. And he calls it moral.
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:07 pm
by Aaron
Rochey wrote:Ah, thanks.
So, in short, Phlox is a genocidal mass-murderer. And he calls it moral.
C'mon Rochey, it was pre-determined evolution! Why do you hate Trek?
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:08 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Re: What did we like
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:08 pm
by Reliant121
Point conceded.
