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Nutso wrote:
The man walking in has a gun. That's one hell of a bouncer. Gunman probably came looking for him, and that's why he fought him. Bouncers don't usually take on armed assailants. That was one monstrous elbow to the face.

This is 'merica... If you are going to come... you gotta come hard! This guy was far to casual. He was looking for a yellow card and instead lost some teeth!

However, notice that the person with "security" on her jacket rabbited. Women...

Graham Kennedy wrote:

Sorry, all I could think of when I saw this ship was ,"S.S. Ki Adi Mundi".

HMS Ki Adi Mundi.

He is the greatest.

McAvoy wrote:He is the greatest.

Yeah, except when he ran into this:

Don't forget Henry Cooper.

Captain Seafort wrote:Don't forget Henry Cooper.

Yes, and Frazier took the belt from Ali before Foreman took it from him. There's no denying that Cooper's left was a fearsome weapon, but you have to admit that he beat an infant (to the sport) Cassius Clay in the early 1960's. The man pictured above fighting Ali was unheralded Ken Norton Sr., who beat Ali in 1973 and broke Ali's jaw in four places in the process. And yes, football fans, that Ken Norton was the father of 49'ers great linebacker Ken Norton Jr.

I'd put everything I own on Bruce Lee in a no-rules (see: reality) fight against any of them.

Tsukiyumi wrote:I'd put everything I own on Bruce Lee in a no-rules (see: reality) fight against any of them.

Against a boxer, sure. Ali might not even win such a fight against Ronda Rousey.

Tsukiyumi wrote:I'd put everything I own on Bruce Lee in a no-rules (see: reality) fight against any of them.

I'd give him better odds against Ali than against Foreman (in his prime) or Norton Sr. Bruce Lee went about 135 in fighting trim. Granted he could land all kinds of scoring hits against Foreman and Norton, but I really think you underestimate how heavy those two punched. There has never in our lifetime been a heavyweight who even approached the punch strength of those two. I wasn't being hyperbolic when I said that Norton broke Ali's jaw in four places with one punch, and that was when Ali was fighting at 221 lbs. Add to that the fact that both Norton and Foreman (even moreso) made careers of wading through punches much heavier than Lee's... all they'd have to do is weather Lee for a minute or so and land one good straight right, much less a hook. Norton especially had a very unorthodox gait and weave, along with a habit of jabbing from the hip, that made him pretty hard to hit for a man his size.

You guys hate Muhammad Ali, or are you just pointing stuff out?

Nutso wrote:You guys hate Muhammad Ali, or are you just pointing stuff out?

I was just commenting on the VAST one-dimensional aspect of boxing as a fighting style.

Nutso wrote:You guys hate Muhammad Ali, or are you just pointing stuff out?

Not at all, just pointing out some evidence toward the fact that he wasn't the supreme perfect boxer that hindsight sometimes paints him as.