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stitch626 wrote:

Mikey wrote:It's a squashed Sovereign, then. Why do people waste valuable time making things like this?

Because it isn't a Sovereign. It is a step up just like the Galaxy from the Ambassador.

There is nowhere near the amount of evolution between a Sovereign and that thing as there is between an Ambassador and a GCS.

At the angle this is viewed at, the Galaxy would look like a streached out Ambassador (width wise).

It has a completely different deflector assembly, different nacels, the impulse drive is a single center, no QT turret, much larger thrusters...

It is the natural progression of the Sov, in a time when Starfleet likes replacing spaceframes instead of getting every bit out of it (unlike with the Miranda, which gets the longevity award IMO).

stitch626 wrote:At the angle this is viewed at, the Galaxy would look like a streached out Ambassador (width wise).

Nope. The bezel of the saucer is completely different, as is the curvature of the dorsal saucer. In addition, the cross-section of the nacelles and both hulls is completely different.

stitch626 wrote:It has a completely different deflector assembly

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

stitch626 wrote:different nacels

Exact same nacelles, just with a built-up bump on top to make the person who made this feel like he was doing something new.

stitch626 wrote:the impulse drive is a single center

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

stitch626 wrote:no QT turret, much larger thrusters

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

stitch626 wrote:

Mikey wrote:It's a squashed Sovereign, then. Why do people waste valuable time making things like this?

Because it isn't a Sovereign. It is a step up just like the Galaxy from the Ambassador.

Except it's not.

Mikey wrote:

stitch626 wrote:It has a completely different deflector assembly

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

stitch626 wrote:different nacels

Exact same nacelles, just with a built-up bump on top to make the person who made this feel like he was doing something new.

stitch626 wrote:the impulse drive is a single center

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

stitch626 wrote:no QT turret, much larger thrusters

That's impossible to determine from that pic.

Well, it just so happens I know the ship.

Mikey wrote:

stitch626 wrote:At the angle this is viewed at, the Galaxy would look like a streached out Ambassador (width wise).

Nope. The bezel of the saucer is completely different, as is the curvature of the dorsal saucer. In addition, the cross-section of the nacelles and both hulls is completely different.

And with this and the Sov, the cross section of the enginnering hulls are different, as are the deck widths and the saucer height, and the nacelles are much rounder than on the Sov. Also, this has two shuttle bays in the saucer.

stitch626 wrote:Well, it just so happens I know the ship.

Then why don't you provide an image of it that demonstrates at least some difference between it and the Sov?

And with this and the Sov, the cross section of the enginnering hulls are different, as are the deck widths and the saucer height, and the nacelles are much rounder than on the Sov. Also, this has two shuttle bays in the saucer.

None of which are apparent in the image provided.

Alright, when I get home I'll get the pics. And if they aren't on the web, I'll get them from BC.

Yeah, all that you say may be true, but you can't expect someone to see any of that from the pic provided.

Mikey wrote:Yeah, all that you say may be true, but you can't expect someone to see any of that from the pic provided.

I think that may be why he was stating that.


Here's a pretty good front view of the deflector

Ah, so it isn't a Sov - it's a Sov-Intrepid mash up.

Captain Seafort wrote:Ah, so it isn't a Sov - it's a Sov-Intrepid mash up.

Eh... Yeah...

It's pink.

Actually its deflector is still different than an Intrepid. Also, as shown in the next pic, the saucer is much wider (in proportion to the ship) than on a Sov.


And heres one showing the much wider engineering hull.


Unfortunatly I cannot find a rear view highlighting the impulse engine and shuttlebays.

Ok, as far as fan ships go it isn't bad and the level of detail etc... looks well done but it is still a rather weak design.

Actually it is very similar to the luna class imho, insofar that both classes are conglomerates of previous shipclasses/designfeatures without ryhme or reason. (Altough I must admit that the century is a superior design to the ugly lunar-duckling)

That they used designfeatures which I found unattractive on the original classes (like the fat intrepid sec. hull) is probably just bad luck.

Well, I must recant - there are certainly significant differences between that and the Sovereign. However, the differences seem to be cosmetic and purposeless. Yes, they're enough to show a difference between the classes - but they don't justify the cooexistence of both ship classes.