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DarkMoineau wrote:It sadden me to prefer the Shenzou and know that lady will be destroyed ^^

Meh. It's just an Akira ripoff.

I must be one of the numerous Akira fan

Oh I like the Akira fine, but I also like originality!

Graham Kennedy wrote:Meh. It's just an Akira ripoff.

Now, now, Graham - it shows clear developmental lineage from the NX-01.

Captain Seafort wrote:

Graham Kennedy wrote:Meh. It's just an Akira ripoff.

Now, now, Graham - it shows clear developmental lineage from the NX-01.

What you said didn't at all contradict what I said...

Graham Kennedy wrote:Oh I like the Akira fine, but I also like originality!

Except when it comes to depicting developments in another part of the federation during a contemporaneous period associated with a well regarded scifi show.

Sonic Glitch wrote:

Graham Kennedy wrote:Oh I like the Akira fine, but I also like originality!

Except when it comes to depicting developments in another part of the federation during a contemporaneous period associated with a well regarded scifi show.

Originality =/= taking a runny dump all over the franchise

Bryan Fuller’s Original Pitch For ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Included Going Beyond TNG Era

Fuller’s rejected ideas included multiple time periods

According to Entertainment Weekly, Bryan Fuller’s original pitch to CBS had the show starting in Discovery‘s timeline, but then moving through the eras of Kirk and Picard and then going beyond that, reaching a time period that hasn’t been seen in Star Trek before. He wanted to do something like American Horror Story, which resets its storyline each season, and described it as a “platform for a universe of Star Trek shows.” However CBS decided to create a single serialized show and see how it performed before agreeing to anything that elaborate.

If this is true, then the suits have already all but decided to cancel Discovery.

Wow!

So in a nutshell, they deviated wildly from canon, knew they were doing it, didn't care about doing it, and are outright lying about it. And are shocked that fans are a wee bit ticked about it. Also, it occurs to me that all the drama of the last couple of years could have been avoided if CBS had simply bought, or insisted on owning, Axanar.

Yeah, imagine if they had gone to the Axanar guys and said "Hey, we want to adopt your basic premise as our new show. We'll hire a couple of you as consultants."

Hell, how about this - tell the Axanar people they can make their fan film, but that you will co-ordinate with them so that their film is a side story to your new series. Would that be the very first time a fan movie has been not just tolerated but officially endorsed and tied in with a major TV series? Imagine the fan buzz that would have created!

I think we're entering a time when fans will more and more begin to produce their own content - the technology is there to allow it. Discovery could have been the first production ever to have embraced that and rode the wave of interest it would create.

But nope. Instead they squish the stuff the fans wanted and said "you will have what we decide to tell you to want". That's working well for them, isn't it?

Exactly. All they had to do was look at the fan buzz, say "Keep doing what you're doing, just put our name on it and give us the lion's share of the profits" and they would have scored a massive coup without so much as lifting a finger.

So I've posted a few Trekyards videos here. They generally like the Discovery, and have made many videos about it. Here's their latest.



Needless to say I disagree, but thought folks might want to check out an alternative viewpoint.

For funsies, here are the first dozen comments in their comments list (only listing 'top of a thread' comments and not responses to those comments). Let's see how enthused the fans are :

"The USS Pizza Cutter arrives"

"I'm sorry but that is fugly. I much prefer the Shenzhou"

"I really hate what they've done with Discovery's nacelles. They look awful."

"Why is the saucer like that??? How dumb is it that there is space and 4 shafts to get from one part of the saucer to the other?? Does the whole thing come apart in an separation sequence??? Like the outer ring separates from the inner saucer and then the inner separates from the ball? Finally I am with Stewart why the hell are the nacelles that long????"

"Deltas on the chairs, deltas on the phaser, deltas on the uniform, deltas on the toilet, delta shapes distress call, delta shaped pancakes, delta shaped floors, delta shaped secondary hull... I'm surprised they didn't cast the captain and make him wear a giant delta mascot suit. Enough with the deltas. Holy crap!!!"

"There is absolutely nothing on this design that's good. It looks awful. Engines, engineering section and saucer all feel like they belong on different ships. This does not look like a unified design. It's amazing how fans can come up with all sorts of awesome designs that fit the canon and these idiots couldn't hire a designer that comes even close.
So far everything in this show looks compeltely crap. From bridge design to ships to klingons to weapons... it's all just changed to be changed for no reason and not even a hint of an intelligent, flowing design that looks cool and at the same time fits the timeline."

"I've worked with artists before and even the most amateurish one could have come up with better stuff. This is getting beyond embarassing."

"Rumor has it that Discovery is doomed to fail so it will be re branded as a mini-series and instead the new series will be a project that Nick Meyers has been working on with Paramount which will take place in established cannon.. Apparently there are licensing issues between Paramount and CBS that will not allow Discovery to be anything but a JJ-Verse show. Any comments?"

"It has a bloody window. Seriously?"

"At comicon they said the gaps in the saucer are there to store all the plot holes and continuity errors."

"I've gotta be honest, I've slowed down watching you two because of how apologist you are toward this new mess of a show. I realize you're being more fair than I am, but at the end of the day I vote with my views, and I'm putting my foot down. This show is taking the JJ Abrams mockery of Star Trek to a whole new level. All they had to do was set something in the future around the year 2400 and they could do whatever they wanted. But they chose to take a huge dump all over our traditions."

"Wasn't keen on the original version but now prefer it to the supposed final version. Don't like the cut out sections at all and the proportions just feel wrong. Wish the other ship was the Discovery!"

In fact, I read through the first eighty comments and didn't find a single positive one. Not one.

I have to agree with every single one of those comments. The ship is a pile of dung, the Klingons are just wrong, if it wasn't for the fact I already pay for Netflix I probably wouldn't even bother with it. It's like they've been drinking too much bloodwine or Romulan ale.

Graham Kennedy wrote:

If this is true, then the suits have already all but decided to cancel Discovery.

Wow!

Why do I keep watching these? They're so depressing.