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Yeah, unless you got an email from me looking for it I have what I need.

Sheets are done, as soon as we resolve this little argument I will send around turn reports and sheets.

Not much of an argument when I've got the treaty on my side.

Tyyr wrote:Not much of an argument when I've got the treaty on my side.

He's right, he only has to keep his fleet mothballed if he wants to keep the peace. He's free to exit the treaty at anytime.

And you're wrong. The treaty says nothing about me having to keep the ships mothballed to keep the treaty in force.

No, the ships "Being" in mothballs is a term of the treaty. If you violate the term then the treaty is void. Again simple but here isn't the place for your political moving. I was just stating a fact since I got two pm's and a skype convo going and it was just easier to answer it in one swing.

Tyyr wrote:And you're wrong. The treaty says nothing about me having to keep the ships mothballed to keep the treaty in force.

It does, however, specify how many ships you can have active.

Since this is Tyyr's political spin-doctoring and not an OOC question anymore. I'd think it best we move this only to the IC thread from here out.

No this isn't spin doctoring. You go into an actual court and they'd side with me. The contract was discharged in the manner it was written. You can't just infer things that you wish you'd put in.

Dude, blah blah blah, whatever... keep the bull in the IC so at least there we have a reason for it. Lets keep the OOC clear of it.

Both sides have a point. Let's just keep it in the IC thread. The treaty is sufficiently vauge that both sides could claim some standing but for most nations in the sim which don't really have strong judicial review (and even some that would) treaties are really only as good as the will to enforce them.

Honestly as a side note, I've seen lawyers throw that line in court before... they normally end up being charged with "Contempt of Council".

Deepcrush wrote:Honestly as a side note, I've seen lawyers throw that line in court before... they normally end up being charged with "Contempt of Council".

I don't doubt it. But there is no international court here to settle the matter being the issue. And even if there was the most applicable line would be Stalin's when questioned regarding what the pope thought about his actions. "How many divisions does he have?"

A treaty backed by force means a lot. One backed by nobody is basically fancy toilet paper.

To be fair, I do like having extra toilet paper.

This is quite enjoyable. Tyyr certainly has shaken things up.