The Infiltrator

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:28 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:It depends on which phase cloak technology you're using. While the Romulan version left the cloaked object cloaked until action was taken to de-cloak it, the Federation version, seen in "The Pegasus", worked the same way as a normal cloak. The reason the eponymous ship turned up at all was that the cloak's power failed, causing it to de-cloak immediately, and partialy fuse with the asteroid it was passing through at the time.

Which is precisely my point. On a Federation prototype super-advanced ship, they're going be using Federation technology, not Romulan. So it would decloak when out of the cloaking field. They're going use the clearly better Federation technology than somewhat unreliable impossible-to-decloak Romulan rubish

Also as this ship is a lot more advanced than the Scimitar, it is very arguable that it would have the ability to fire from cloak, and phase cloak at that. Obviously for story purposes I am more than willing to let it pass, though.

Just make sure the real writers don't hear that or they'll have a field day!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:31 pm

Just make sure the real writers don't hear that or they'll have a field day!

You mean they actually give a damn?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:31 pm

If it's out of phase how would a weapon hit it? I'd pass straight through. I once read a versus fanfic (Conquest) that had an amusing scene of an Admiral nearly pissing himself when a turbolaser bolt passed right through the bridge of his phased-cloaked ship. That's how I'd imagine weapons to act.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:41 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:If it's out of phase how would a weapon hit it? I'd pass straight through. I once read a versus fanfic (Conquest) that had an amusing scene of an Admiral nearly pissing himself when a turbolaser bolt passed right through the bridge of his phased-cloaked ship. That's how I'd imagine weapons to act.

It wouldn't hit the ship. That's why the ship would be even more invincible than it's already borg-tactical-cube-esque.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:41 pm

Precisely. Whether or not you have the Federation "active" style or the Romulan "passive" style phased is phased. In either scenario, wepaons will react to targets as in "The Next Phase" - and presumably, vice verse.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:42 pm

Mikey wrote:Precisely. Whether or not you have the Federation "active" style or the Romulan "passive" style phased is phased. In either scenario, wepaons will react to targets as in "The Next Phase" - and presumably, vice verse.

The phase cloak only phases the ship within a certain range. Once a torpedo leaves that range, it would de-phase and become "normal".

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:45 pm

You're probably correct. To play devil's advocate, though, it could be based on time away from the cloak rather than distance - if so, a high-velocity launch might render the torp ineffective. If it is the other way around, you have a minimum firing distance - hopefully it's not really much farther than the collateral damage radius of your torp (which you wouldn't enter in any event.)

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:50 pm

Mikey wrote:You're probably correct. To play devil's advocate, though, it could be based on time away from the cloak rather than distance - if so, a high-velocity launch might render the torp ineffective. If it is the other way around, you have a minimum firing distance - hopefully it's not really much farther than the collateral damage radius of your torp (which you wouldn't enter in any event.)

But that's just silly

Once it leaves the range of the cloaking field, the torpedo would decloak and dephase. There is no other way it could stay cloaked. Unless it had it's own little onboard phase cloak device so pointless that it allowed itself to float harmless through the targetted enemy ship

*3 Years Later - New series of Star Trek*
Writer 1: Let's have the torpedo stay cloaked so that it does no harm to the enemy ship! Plotlines plotlines! How do I come up with them?
Writer 2: Of course, we could add some technowaffle and put a cloaking device onboard for the torpedo for no purpose whatsoever other than to make sure the ship we want to win is at a severe disadvantage!

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:57 pm

The concept of a residual field from the cloak that decays over time would fit in with the tech manual description of warp-speed saucer separation, which describes just such an effect to avoid the saucer being damaged by a sudden reversion from high warp to sublight.

DarkOmen · Post by **DarkOmen** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:00 pm

IDEA

A phase cloaked Transphaisic torpedo, that decloaks/rephases once its INSIDE of the enemy ship... talk about some damage!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:03 pm

That would be painful.
But it would only be usefull against stations or other slowly moving targets, due to the fact that torps aren't the most maneuverable things.

DarkOmen · Post by **DarkOmen** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:07 pm

you could probably destroy an entire planet that way... phase it till its in the core, rephase it... BOOM! it would force magma to burst out of the ground every where.. and earthquakes.. man... that would be schweeeet.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:17 pm

Youuare one destructive little bastard, huh?

DarkOmen · Post by **DarkOmen** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:19 pm

funny you should mention that, my wallpaper right now on my computer is a mushroom cloud from a nuclear explosion... hmmm... care to do some psychological profiling lol?

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:20 pm

I think I'd rather leave that alone completely, thank you. *backs away slowly*