Storm Front(s)

[Granitehewer]

better though than the japanese fugos, although they did wipe out that reverand and picnic-ing family in the continental USA i remember

[Deepcrush]

Aye, giving A-bombs to the Nazis is the only real way of allowing them to take Europe and Russia, though even then there'd be heavy casualties.

First they'd have to be able to get the bombs over to the US, something they can't do. Second the US would have to just sit there and let the NAZI bomb them, something which wouldn't happen.

As for the US, the Luftwaffe had at least one plane that could make a trip to the eastern coast of the US, IIRC. I believe it was being tested when the war ended. If they made a few of those and loaded them up with nukes, you can say goodbye to New York. I doubt the US would continue a war against such power.

And the US had dozens of carriers and thousands of fighters and bombers to shoot the Luftwaffe out of the sky.

[Tsukiyumi]

The plane in question was a flying wing design, IIRC, and the forerunner of modern stealth technology; the radar of the era might not have picked them up at all. And, only one would need to get through...

[Deepcrush]

The wing alone doesn't mean stealth. Just a starting point. Its not just about one getting through but about none of ours getting to them.

[Aaron]

The plane in question was a flying wing design, IIRC, and the forerunner of modern stealth technology; the radar of the era might not have picked them up at all. And, only one would need to get through...

Nah, stealth relies on either a Radar Absorbing material combined with an angled fuselage (F-117) or RAM plus a regular fuselage (thats been specially designed on computer to eliminate right angles). The German wing would likely have been aluminium, so that is a no go. It was also a one-way design IIRC, no coming back. By the time of Storm Front the Allies ruled the Atlantic, so the Germans are looking at making it across in the face of carrier aircraft and aircraft based in the UK, Iceland, Canada and the US mainland. And in the face of far superior radar then they possessed.

[Deepcrush]

In other words, its a no go. Germany was doomed the moment they invaded Russia and declared war on the US.

[Tsukiyumi]

The plane in question was a flying wing design, IIRC, and the forerunner of modern stealth technology; the radar of the era might not have picked them up at all. And, only one would need to get through...

Nah, stealth relies on either a Radar Absorbing material combined with an angled fuselage (F-117) or RAM plus a regular fuselage (thats been specially designed on computer to eliminate right angles).

That is true, however, a flying wing design has inherent stealth properties, and this plane was made from composites. Here's the plane I was thinking of; it had enough range to get to America and back.

[Aaron]

The plane in question was a flying wing design, IIRC, and the forerunner of modern stealth technology; the radar of the era might not have picked them up at all. And, only one would need to get through...

Nah, stealth relies on either a Radar Absorbing material combined with an angled fuselage (F-117) or RAM plus a regular fuselage (thats been specially designed on computer to eliminate right angles).

That is true, however, a flying wing design has inherent stealth properties, and this plane was made from composites. Here's the plane I was thinking of; it had enough range to get to America and back.

It would have been stealthy but definitely not undetectable, especially if it had that gigantic vertical stabilizer. Flying wing designs are also inherently unstable, which is why it took as long as it did for them to become a successful design (B-2). Previous attempts resulted in a lot of crashes and by the time the US got a design in the late 40's, early fifties to work it was already obsolete.

Edit: External stowage of fuel or munitions=bad for stealth.

[Sionnach Glic]

The fact that US radar systems were superior to German ones would probably have also made it unlikely to work.

Deep:
I only mentioned they had the plane. I never said it would change the tide of war. Barring the future guys giving them ICBM tech, they've no hope against the US.

[Graham Kennedy]

Aye, giving A-bombs to the Nazis is the only real way of allowing them to take Europe and Russia, though even then there'd be heavy casualties.

First they'd have to be able to get the bombs over to the US, something they can't do. Second the US would have to just sit there and let the NAZI bomb them, something which wouldn't happen.

Submarine launches. As I mentioned, the Germans had designs in the works for this; a capsule towed behind a U Boat with a missile in it. They never really pushed through with it, but the Russians did after the war and the system did work. And if all a sub wanted was to approach the US, the Navy couldn't stop it.

[Tsukiyumi]

They got all the way to Galveston during the war...

[Mikey]

All of that is just fine and dandy - but Germany's goal (and what was represented in "Storm Front") was conquering, not destroying. Subs don't help much with force projection.

[Deepcrush]

That plus if the UK fell then the whole USN would be guarding the coast and not protecting English waters. Seeing that 3/4ths of the U-Boat fleet was lost with the USN protecting the world. Protection duty off the coast would have been near impossible. A few may get through, but more US bombers would have gotten through to Germany.

[Sionnach Glic]

Out of curiosity, are we also assuming the Pacific War is occuring at the same time?

[Tsukiyumi]

I don't see why not. That was going to happen regardless of events in Europe.