How did the Borg come about?

[Captain Seafort]

Go fast enough, wrap yourself round a tree or go off a cliff at umpteen megamiles an hour and you can writ off anything. There's a saying that "there's no such thing as idiot-proof because idiots are such ingeneous people."

[Sionnach Glic]

Good point.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Wait.
He totaled a Hummer? I would love to know how he managed that!

And the analogy isn't completely correct. You would still have to pay for them. And there's a difference between buying yourself into bankruptcy, and enhancing your body.

To this day no one is sure just how he did it. The most popular theory involves a reinactment of The Dukes of Hazzard or some stunt show, but he doesn't remember much from that night so no one knows for sure.

And while the quote isn't perfect you still got idiots that'll abuse their new abilities.

[Teaos]

I see it as unavoidable. If people choose not to they will be left behind.

[Sionnach Glic]

And while the quote isn't perfect you still got idiots that'll abuse their new abilities.

There will definately be those who abuse this stuff. I can see enhanced strangth becoming comon among criminals.
But the most harm you could personally do to your body would either be if the implants malfunction, or if you replace nearly your entire body with mechanical substitutes. Although not everyone would see that as bad.

[robjkay]

I think that they gradually evolved from an Earth-like capitalist society, eventually choosing to imbue themselves with cybernetic implants that over time rendered them less and less biological and more and more technological. The logical progression of this (and human society, if you think about it) was to pool all information, as opposed to knowledge, into one great link that their cybernetic implants could access. They could receive information direct to their brains, and somewhere somehow this evolved into a central hive mind, with information being shared without thought.

I do have a hard time wrapping my mind around the notion that an entire race of beings would willingly fuse their minds into a central hive, thus sacrificing all individuality.

Thoughts?

There have been speculations to where V'Ger from Star Trek the Motion Pic when Capt. Decker & Lieutenant Ilia were asbored into V'Ger and when it left that somehow a alien lifeform attached itself creating the Borg

[Sionnach Glic]

Has there ever been any cannon statements about that?
Personally I think the two are far too disimilar to be connected.

[robjkay]

Has there ever been any cannon statements about that?
Personally I think the two are far too disimilar to be connected.

No its not cannon nor is there anything cannon on how the Borg were created. But its been suggested in a couple of books and it was also suggested in the video game Star Trek Legacy.

But what is cannon is that Voyager VI probe was lost in a black hole that later on it emerged from the other side of the black hole in what was believed to have been the far side of the galaxy, and fell into the gravitational field of a planet populated by living machines. The machines made V'Ger when later on when it was traveling back to Earth it collected so much data that it achieved consciousness and or became a lifeform in a way.

Now we also know that Commander Decker was assimulated into V'Ger so it could experience Humanity and then it left.

What happened after that? Was another lifeform created when machine & human became one? This is where the Borg come into the picture, alot of people, books and a video game have suggested that what happened the Borg were the offspring of what happened to V'Ger.

[Captain Seafort]

Has there ever been any cannon statements about that?
Personally I think the two are far too disimilar to be connected.

No its not cannon nor is there anything cannon on how the Borg were created. But its been suggested in a couple of books and it was also suggested in the video game Star Trek Legacy.

But what is cannon is that Voyager VI probe was lost in a black hole that later on it emerged from the other side of the black hole in what was believed to have been the far side of the galaxy, and fell into the gravitational field of a planet populated by living machines. The machines made V'Ger when later on when it was traveling back to Earth it collected so much data that it achieved consciousness and or became a lifeform in a way.

Now we also know that Commander Decker was assimulated into V'Ger so it could experience Humanity and then it left.

What happened after that? Was another lifeform created when machine & human became one? This is where the Borg come into the picture, alot of people, books and a video game have suggested that what happened the Borg were the offspring of what happened to V'Ger.

While there's ceratinly a lot of similarities between V'Ger's "assimilation" of objects by digitising them and the Borg, the timeline simply doesn't support a "Borg from V'Ger" theory. The Borg have been depicted as having a history of developing slowly over the centuries, adding to their technology by assimilating new species. The new species formed from V'Ger's merging with Decker has none of that history. Even if it was somehow flung into the Delta Quadrent and far back in time, look at the technology availabl to it - V'Ger could effective brush aside the whole of Starfleet, disabling all of Earth's defences. If the Borg could do that why do they repeatedly get thrashed by the Feds.

[Teaos]

I don't like the link between V'ger and Borg. It doesn't seem to fit right.

[robjkay]

Has there ever been any cannon statements about that?
Personally I think the two are far too disimilar to be connected.

No its not cannon nor is there anything cannon on how the Borg were created. But its been suggested in a couple of books and it was also suggested in the video game Star Trek Legacy.

But what is cannon is that Voyager VI probe was lost in a black hole that later on it emerged from the other side of the black hole in what was believed to have been the far side of the galaxy, and fell into the gravitational field of a planet populated by living machines. The machines made V'Ger when later on when it was traveling back to Earth it collected so much data that it achieved consciousness and or became a lifeform in a way.

Now we also know that Commander Decker was assimulated into V'Ger so it could experience Humanity and then it left.

What happened after that? Was another lifeform created when machine & human became one? This is where the Borg come into the picture, alot of people, books and a video game have suggested that what happened the Borg were the offspring of what happened to V'Ger.

While there's ceratinly a lot of similarities between V'Ger's "assimilation" of objects by digitising them and the Borg, the timeline simply doesn't support a "Borg from V'Ger" theory. The Borg have been depicted as having a history of developing slowly over the centuries, adding to their technology by assimilating new species. The new species formed from V'Ger's merging with Decker has none of that history. Even if it was somehow flung into the Delta Quadrent and far back in time, look at the technology availabl to it - V'Ger could effective brush aside the whole of Starfleet, disabling all of Earth's defences. If the Borg could do that why do they repeatedly get thrashed by the Feds.

Well what history do you want? Something has to come from something! The technology that was available to V'Ger who knows what happened or what changed once Decker was assimulated into V'Ger. One thiing that everyone wanted was for it to gain or learn some humanity, maybe due to that it devolved and maybe changed for the worse. Maybe V'Ger went back to the machine planet to where something happened or change and developed slowly over the centuries.

Surely what ever technology V'Ger had from the start does not mean anything because history has shown that entire empires, cultures, planets could change to the worse to where they basically have to start over again which happened to the Vulcans and also to Earth.

[robjkay]

I don't like the link between V'ger and Borg. It doesn't seem to fit right.

Actually I like the link between V'ger and the Borg! Its the strongest non-canon link that supports the idea on how the Borg were created.

[Jim]

I actually really like this idea of the Borg origin coming from V'Ger. It would mean that V'ger itself started as a human construct, then the addition of an actual human changed that into the Borg. The ultimate "Oh crap, it's our fault!" kind of thing.

http://canonfodder.ex-astris-scientia.o ... f_the_Borg

[Captain Peabody]

I have mixed feelings about the V'ger theory...but I definitely don't think it was the result of a capitalist society. Most likely, I could see it as the result of some sort of mad scientist or cult; after all, the Borg do seem somehow 'cultish' with their quest for perfection.
My theory is that some charasmatic scientist or something believed that the only way to perfect their species was to use technology to augment himself and his followers...and created a hive mind as his idea of perfection, by eliminating strife and discord. Once the rudimentary hive mind had been established, it wouldn't be too hard for his 'augmented' followers to capture others and hook them up to the hive mind as well. Eventually, they spread so widely that they were able to completely take over the planet, continuing to augment themselves with whatever technology they found. When they discovered other species, they set out to take their technology as well, to further perfect themselves.
Plausible?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

You guys are saying that this theory is V'Ger created the Borg, right? What if the living machines were the Borg? On it's way home V'Ger improved its assimilation abilities or something.