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As much as I like and respect Manny Coto I doubt I could have ever liked ENT, i may have been able to enjoy a few individual episodes but thats it.

The whole idea of the show didnt sit well with me, and everytime I saw the damn Akiraprise I got annoyed.

Unless Coto had retconned all of ENT and started afresh I highly doubt it would have been anything but "meh"

Mikey wrote:Very true. Unfortunately, thanks to B&B, Coto started out in a very deep hole in terms of bringing the overall series' quality to any decent level.

It sucks because TNG and DSN also had their share of bad crap in the beginning. And even VOY got a full seven years!

But didn't the actors in Enterprise have shorter contracts than the TNG crew? I KNOW they origianally had 6 year contracts, and they all extended for the 7th season.

But I wonder about Enterprise.

thelordharry wrote:Did you ever get any feedback from the petition you created? Obviously, nothing changed but did you ever get any sort of acknowledgement?

I didn't create the petition, I just signed it and urged others to.

In general online petitions are utterly worthless. But I saw that ship and just freaked.

Wehn I saw the ship I thought they had changed the plan for a prequil, I figured we were getting another TNG era show.

I still like the ship and see nothing wrong with it. *Shrug* It's the basic distillation of the Starfleet design into the simplest form. A saucer and nacelles stuck onto it.

Do you honestly not think the tech in it is to advanced? And remember dispite the writters being retards, this was not supposed to be starfleet, it was EARTHS exploration and military wing.

The ship actually kind of makes sense to me. As Earth develops bigger and more powerful engines, the "saucer" just doesn't have room, hence the creation of the "secondary hull". Eventually, they begin to shrink the tech like we do with modern computers, until we COULD get along without a secondary hull for certain smaller engines, but for the big and powerful ones needed for a deep space explorer, there is still the secondary hull.

No, I don't. No phasers, grapplers instead of tractor beams. No sheids, limited transporters... Like I've said ad infinitum, it's the simplest design you can make and still have it be recognizable.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:No, I don't. No phasers,

It did have phasers.

grapplers instead of tractor beams.

I'll give you that one.

No sheids,

It had differently-named shields, too.

limited transporters...

It shouldn't have had transporters at all.

And simple or not, the design should have bee a precursor to the designs that had already, in canon, been established as its successors.

What the hell is polerizing the hull plating supposed to do, anyway? Your just feeding the hull an electrical charge. How does that protect a ship?

What designs? And no, no phasers. Phase cannons, not phasers.

Why no transporters? Again, where stated in canon?

Only design I know of is the quasi-canon treatment for the Daedalous(sp)-class that was a model on Siski's desk, named such in the encyclopedia but never named so in canon.

Mark wrote:What the hell is polerizing the hull plating supposed to do, anyway? Your just feeding the hull an electrical charge. How does that protect a ship?

We've had that talk. I think it came down to the hull material being able to stiffen under a charge, or something like that. I was under the impression that "polarize" meant to block certain axes of vibration, like polarizing light; but it appears I was mistaken.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:And no, no phasers. Phase cannons, not phasers.

Yep. Phasers which were re-named as un-subtly as possible to at least keep up the appearance of a prequel=phase cannon.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Why no transporters? Again, where stated in canon?

Judging by the relatively common fear of transporters shown by even some seasoned Starfleet personnel in Teaos, they should have been at best in development in ENT.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Only design I know of is the quasi-canon treatment for the Daedalous(sp)-class that was a model on Siski's desk, named such in the encyclopedia but never named so in canon.

It doesn't matter what the name of that ship was. And believe me, that is far from the only ship design that has chronologically come after the NX-class in all of Star Trek. There was a pretty commonly-seen ship in TOS, for example, called the Constitution-class, and then there were some later designs in the movies and later franchises...

And the NX looks ahell of a lot more primitive than those ones. No real secondary hull, smaller, more crowded...

Still not phasers.

The secondary hull was something which canon had already established as being diminished and dispensed with as the result of advancement, not of primitiveness.

And they are only called "phase cannon" because even B&B couldn't bring themselves to call their pre-phaser phasers what they actually were.