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Teaos wrote: Because its retarded is a real responce. The idea that we should have to come up with some convoluted situation everytime this thing goes into combat so that the battle is not a total bloodbath is retarded. Thus "Because its retarded" is a very appropriate and resonable responce.

No, it doesn't have to be convoluted - we'd only have to do it when it's facing ships of lesser power. As I said, the writers make the RP fun and give depth - the RP shouldn't be forced to take on a role that is unrealistic to give the writers depth.

Your acting like the lance is just a big phaser. Its not, the way I designed it it has special penitration power to it. This was offset by it taking up internal volume, you know that whole balance thing we have going on.

If it's got a set amount of energy going into it there is a set amount of energy coming out of it. It is a big phaser, just because it's got penetration abilities doesn't change the energy, it just means its essentially changed forms.

It can take out two of any ship out there. Its got heavy armour and shieds and heavy guns, crack a dictonary, its a battleship.

It's got heavy armour, and that's where it's 20 year advanced battleship nature ends. The rest are not on a par with the Sovereign - and especially the Defiant - taking into account it's a battleship and 20 years newer.

Rochey wrote:Okay, those uniforms suck. Can we come up with something else?

You're the one who's always fighting to have this stuff make sense and agree with canon. The fact that these uniforms are used in every near-future timeline suggests that they may canonically exist at that time. Besides, I like them, and they're a lot better then those boring old grey uniforms they used on later seasons of DS9 or the TNG movies. Those things were just plain ugly.

When will we ever discuss the uniforms anyway?

No, it doesn't have to be convoluted - we'd only have to do it when it's facing ships of lesser power

Which is all ships bar the Dominion Battleship which I have already said the enemy will either have none or one of.

As I said, the writers make the RP fun and give depth - the RP shouldn't be forced to take on a role that is unrealistic to give the writers depth.

In Beta mission we did that. Our fleet had the advantage but they still had a good fight because we turned the tables. But this isnt like that, the ship you want is just way way to powerful to make it at all realistic to RP with.

If it's got a set amount of energy going into it there is a set amount of energy coming out of it. It is a big phaser, just because it's got penetration abilities doesn't change the energy, it just means its essentially changed forms.

Energy can be applied differently. The beam can be more consintrated ect. The point is the lance is not just a bigger phaser, it is a different type of weapon.

It's got heavy armour, and that's where it's 20 year advanced battleship nature ends. The rest are not on a par with the Sovereign - and especially the Defiant - taking into account it's a battleship and 20 years newer.

Heavy armour - check
Heavy shields - check
Heavy Guns - check

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Hmm seems to be a battleship.

PS I agree with Thorin, the uniforms dont matter, I dont think we ever really mentioned them in any of our missions apart from the fact we were wearing them.

Good point, Thorin.

If we're in the 2390's, then let's just use the closest onscreen example for the 2390's - which appears to be those wraparound things.

i dont give a damn what we're wearing. For all i care, we could all wear the Formal TNG clothing, in fact i wouldnt care if we wore Romulan clothes the whole time. dont matter to me.

Teaos wrote: Which is all ships bar the Dominion Battleship which I have already said the enemy will either have none or one of.

Then give it more?

In Beta mission we did that. Our fleet had the advantage but they still had a good fight because we turned the tables. But this isnt like that, the ship you want is just way way to powerful to make it at all realistic to RP with.

No it's not. What do you mean it wouldn't make it realistic? The ship I'm proposing is realistic - far more realistic than the numbers you've come up with.

Energy can be applied differently. The beam can be more consintrated ect. The point is the lance is not just a bigger phaser, it is a different type of weapon.

Yes, but it still does x amount of damage, even if it's a different type of damage.

Heavy armour - check
Heavy shields - check
Heavy Guns - check

...

Hmm seems to be a battleship.

It has heavy armour. The shields are slightly stronger than a 20 year old luxury 'battlecruiser', and the same with the guns. The ship we've got here is the equivilent of a good 2370 battlecruiser [ie a little better than the Sovereign], or of a 2390 frigate. It is not a 2370 battleship [which would be a scaled up Defiant], and is certainly not a 2390 battleship.

Then give it more?

It would make them to powerful for the rest of the fleet to deal with. Much easier for us not to have what is basically a god ship.

No it's not. What do you mean it wouldn't make it realistic? The ship I'm proposing is realistic - far more realistic than the numbers you've come up

The ship you want is not realistic. It is vastly over powered and over estimates the technology increase. Ours is balanced with pros and cons.

It has heavy armour. The shields are slightly stronger than a 20 year old luxury 'battlecruiser', and the same with the guns

The shields are stronger than a ship that had the strongest shields ever seen 20 years ago.

Teaos wrote: It would make them to powerful for the rest of the fleet to deal with. Much easier for us not to have what is basically a god ship.

A god ship is a ship that is more powerful than it should be. This ship is as powerful as it should be.

The ship you want is not realistic. It is vastly over powered and over estimates the technology increase. Ours is balanced with pros and cons.

Over estimates? Okay, I know your maths isn't great, but go back and read it. I UNDERESTIMATED the trend on purpose!

The shields are stronger than a ship that had the strongest shields ever seen 20 years ago.

Indeed. Your point? Just because they're (a little) stronger than a ship which had relatively strong shields doesn't make it battleship strength. As I said, the stats you have come up with are for a 2370 good battlecruiser. Not a 2370 battleship, and certainly not a 2390 battleship.

A god ship is a ship that is more powerful than it should be. This ship is as powerful as it should be.

A god ship is also one which can not be taken down by others with out either heavy odds or some bizarre situation.

Over estimates? Okay, I know your maths isn't great, but go back and read it. I UNDERESTIMATED the trend on purpose!

No you assume the difference between this ship and the Sov will be about the same as the difference between the GCS and Sov.

I've said the difference would be far smaller since the Sov pushed the envelope for combat effectiveness where the GCS did not. This battleship is mearly building a bit more on that.

The ship has no more room more more torpedoes, or at least not much more room.

The phaser power supply is a bit more iffy to judge but since it is powered by M/AM reaction we can assume to make them more power takes a bigger core. And since this ship is of Sov size it is safe to assume we dont get the HUGE power increase you propose.

Thorin, if you don't like it, you don't have to participate.

I was thinking that. besides, its Teaos baby, he can do what the hell he wants with it.

Hey there is no need for that. Thorin has a good point, I disagree with him on it partly because I think he is over estimating it and partly because I think it wouldnt be good for the RP, but he is allowed to debate his point and see what others think.

While I may "run" as you may have noticed I generally like to let us work things out as a group and only step in when needed. This hasnt gotten to there yet. I point us in a direction and see what people do.

A good sentiment, but when time comes you need to step in. its your RP. You told me to do so on the Buran RP, so i am telling you that you should now.

Well right now we have only heard form a few people so I'm more than happy to hear what others think. You and I like the ship we have, Thorin and Mark want a more powerful one, we both have our points. Since we're being civil about it I'm more than happy to let the debate go.