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Uniforms seem to be becoming more and more militaristic. Perhaps some Romulan influence in the uniforms. Or maybe we have a joint operation uniform for all ships.

The anti-time future, the future where the USS Voyager had taken 23 years to arrive at Earth, and the future where Benjamin Sisko perished aboard the Defiant in 2372, all adopted the same new version of the Starfleet uniform. There seems to be a common theme with the future having this uniform.

Examples of what I'm talking about:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:On another much more minor point, are we going to be using the 'future' uniforms and comm badges? We're in the 90's right? The badges were about 15 years after Voyager, so I think we'd be using those at least, and I think the earliest example of the uniforms was 2395, but I don't see no reason why we can't or shouldn't use them now. There were my favorite versions of the uniforms.

What??? I thought we'd use the wrap around tunics from TWOK??????

We can't????

Sorry, just being a smarta$$

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:The anti-time future, the future where the USS Voyager had taken 23 years to arrive at Earth, and the future where Benjamin Sisko perished aboard the Defiant in 2372, all adopted the same new version of the Starfleet uniform. There seems to be a common theme with the future having this uniform.

Examples of what I'm talking about:

ew those are ugly but I guess it makes sense for us to use them.
sigh.

Can my character be a nudist then? Would be preferable.

Hey guys, I'm interested in joining this next mission! I've never done RP of this sort though. I have played D&D and the Trek RPG, but never got to be really facile with those setups. Not sure yet where or who I'd want to be, just want to get my feet wet. Maybe my character will come in after a commercial break or two, so I can see what goes on in these stories. At any rate, which roles are available?

FWIW, I was reading through this thread, and I somewhat agree with Thorin's reasoning regarding the strength of the battleship. However, I can see Blackstar's point about the arms race brought on by the Borg and the Dominion, and I also wanted to add that sometimes there's just a watershed development in the military, like the invention of the machine gun, that totally throws a wrench into the tactical playbook. In the end, I think enjoyability is most important, so if it was me, I'd start from that end and work backwards.

Sure you can join Our Intrepid needs some crew So does the Daystorm (which everyone seems to have a character on)

Is there a list of established crew, including NPCs? Or am I lookin at it?

There might be somewhere.

And Thorin, I have a feeling, and i Agree, that Teaos is not budging.

Okay, those uniforms suck. Can we come up with something else?

I didnt mind them too much to be honest.

Reliant121 wrote: And Thorin, I have a feeling, and i Agree, that Teaos is not budging.

Reasonable and well thought out counter argument there.

And Hal, as I said;
The Sovereign may have been a peak in the trend, but I've offered compromises to cover that.
Added to the fact that even with all those improvements you mentioned - the Sovereign was not built to be the best warship SF could make. The Paladin is. The Sovereign, were it made as a warship, would be stronger than it currently is - indeed (by Graham's indices), stronger than the numbers we get for the current design of the Paladin.

It was not a counter argument. it was a statement. If he moves, then fine. To be honest, it doesnt make a blind bit of difference. What your proposing will give us the power to obliterate the dominion hands down. Thats not the point.

This is why i dont get into arguments often. In my opinion, there should be no sarcasm, no personal comments, none of it.

Thorin you have a good arguement and while I'll debate the point for awhile I feel that even if your idea made more IU sense it would still be best for us to use a weaker ship due to the roll play options that will be destroyed by us having a ship that is stronger than the rest of the fleet combined.

You keep comparing the GCS to the Sov and then the Sov to the Battleship. This is a flawed example.

We know in canon that the GCS was in no way shape or form designed with battle in mind. It was an explorer that due to its size and power just so happened to have really powerful weapons on it. The ship had vast areas of empty space (canon) in it and was designed in a way that made the shield larger than need be.

The Sov was built with combat as one of its primary goals. It was more compact and seemed to devote more space to weapons. While it did have other things in it that made it so it wasnt solely a battleship it was designed to fight.

The shields we can assume are as powerful as they could possibly make them while the GCS just needed good shields.

The weapons on the GCS were good weapons but the weapons on the Sov had every ounce of power they could get squeezed out of them.

You are comparing two totally different generations of ships. The difference between the GCS and the Sov is the difference between a normal street car and a NASCAR. The differnce between a Sov and our Battleship is the difference between a NASCAR and a F1 car.

The difference in power is not going to be as great.

Also you keep saying this is 20 years in the future. Irrelivant.

The ship class was launched in the 2380's, 10 years in the future. And if this battleship was one of the first ones it would only have tech 12ish years more advanced than the Sov.

So I think you are grossly over estimating the power of what it should be.

Teaos wrote:Thorin you have a good arguement and while I'll debate the point for awhile I feel that even if your idea made more IU sense it would still be best for us to use a weaker ship due to the roll play options that will be destroyed by us having a ship that is stronger than the rest of the fleet combined.

So the point of your ship was to make the most powerful ship that SF can make, that is 20 years ahead of any other ship out there, and now you're complaining it will be too powerful? I wasn't the one who gave the option for it to be so powerful, if you're going to give it that brief then let it be how it should be. It's gone from wanktastic to bagofwank.

You keep comparing the GCS to the Sov and then the Sov to the Battleship. This is a flawed example.

We know in canon that the GCS was in no way shape or form designed with battle in mind. It was an explorer that due to its size and power just so happened to have really powerful weapons on it. The ship had vast areas of empty space (canon) in it and was designed in a way that made the shield larger than need be.

The Sov was built with combat as one of its primary goals. It was more compact and seemed to devote more space to weapons. While it did have other things in it that made it so it wasnt solely a battleship it was designed to fight.

No part of the Sovereign was a battleship. Yes, it could kick ass, but that doesn't mean they couldn't do better, as I've already said. If they wanted, I'm sure if the Sovereign was made as a warship, it would kick even more ass - by the strengths indices, it would be more powerful than the Paladin already is!

The shields we can assume are as powerful as they could possibly make them while the GCS just needed good shields.

The weapons on the GCS were good weapons but the weapons on the Sov had every ounce of power they could get squeezed out of them.

Again, neither the GCS or Sovereign were designed as ships of war or were classified as battleships. Both, if they were solely warships, would be much stronger.

You are comparing two totally different generations of ships. The difference between the GCS and the Sov is the difference between a normal street car and a NASCAR. The differnce between a Sov and our Battleship is the difference between a NASCAR and a F1 car.

And 20 years.
The Paladin is 20 years newew than the Sovereign, and is briefed to be a battleship. Both these attributes should make it considerably stronger than a Sovereign.

The difference in power is not going to be as great.

Also you keep saying this is 20 years in the future. Irrelivant.

The ship class was launched in the 2380's, 10 years in the future. And if this battleship was one of the first ones it would only have tech 12ish years more advanced than the Sov.

So I think you are grossly over estimating the power of what it should be.

It is 20 years in the future - you're backpeddaling a lot now. Your very design brief says it was to be made in 2390. Just because it's the first doesn't make it older - that's ridiculous. Does that mean that WW1 now happened during the big bang, because it was the FIRST world war?!

The difference between the Galaxy and Sovereign in terms of it's brief is probably about the same as the difference between the Sovereign and Paladin.
So the Galaxy is 2/10 combat orientated, the Sovereign is 6/10 combat orientated, and the Paladin is 10/10 combat orientated.
The difference between the Galaxy and Sovereign in terms of chronological advancement is half of the difference between the Sovereign and Paladin.

Yes, the Sovereign is more combat orientated than the Galaxy, but it is not purely combat orientated like the Paladin, as per its design brief of a battleship.

You've said yourself my argument makes sense IU, and I think it would make sense in the RP. Just because it can rip through some battlecruisers doesn't mean it's invulnerable - as I said my figures make sense and would work. It's not a relatively crappy Sovereign, but it's not a super-power killing Cube.