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Mikey wrote:Which we agreed to, pages ago. What Deep said was that with TWW, you still have to pick one weapon or the other, which is patently false.

Mikey wrote:Wait... you're saying that you think with Swift Attack and TWW, one of the weapons should get the second attack? That's more of an advantage than what I agreed to, but you're arguing it anyway?

Mikey wrote:Besides, there is precedent in the DH rulebook for using a full action "inside" the TWW full action. It mentions specifically the choice of firing modes for pistols when using TWW; since firing on semi-auto or auto is a full action, then it means that you are allowed to perform that full action within the use of the TWW attack.

Deepcrush wrote:Look, I get you're in a tough time right now. But read whats being said before you act like a fool.

Deepcrush wrote:So you want two full actions per turn while using multiple weapons???

Mikey wrote:Do try and keep up.

Weapon Class Range RoF Damage Pen Clip Reload Special Clips

Bolt
Bolt Pistol Pistol 50m S/2/- 2D10+5X 4 Pen 10r Full
Bolter Basic 150m S/3/5 2D10+5X 5 Pen 24r Full 10r, 24r, 60r
Heavy Bolter Heavy 200m ~/3/10 2D10+10X 6 Pen 400r 3 Full
Bolt Sniper Rifle Basic 500m S/-/- 2D10+5X 6 Pen 10r Full Accurate, Telescopic Sight, Bipod, Gibby

Plasma
Plasma Pistol Pistol 50m S/-/- 3D10+5E 5 Pen 8r 2 Full Overheats
Plasma Gun Basic 150m S/3/- 3D10+10E 7 Pen 20r 2 Full Overheats
Plasma Cannon Heavy 250m S/-/- 5D10+10E 10 Pen 30r 3 Full Overheats

Melta
Melta Pistol Pistol 30m S/-/- 3D10+10E 10 Pen 3r 2 Full
Melta Gun Basic 50m S/-/- 4D10+10E 12 Pen 5r 2 Full
Multi-Melta Heavy 80m S/-/- 5D10+10E 16 Pen 15r 4 Full

Melee
Chain Sword Melee 1D10+5R 3 Pen Balanced, Tearing
Chain Axe Melee 1D10+8R 5 Pen Tearing
Power Sword Melee 2D10+5E 6 Pen
Power Longsword Melee 2D10+8E 7 Pen
Power Fist Melee 2D10+10E 8 Pen 2xSB, Unwieldy
Power Axe Melee 2D10+8E 6 Pen
Lightning Claws Melee 2D10+5E 12 Pen Balanced, Tearing

Grenades
Frag SBx3 3D10+5X 2 Pen Blast (6)
Krak SBx3 3D10+10X 10 Pen
Smoke SBx3 Smoke
Photon Flash SBx3 Flash
Inferno SBx3 3D10E 6 Pen Blast (5), Fire

Gibby Successful aimed, called shots to the head do double damage.

1) Use the Tyranus Conclave: Adeptus Astartes rules here.
2) Make sure your character conforms to the rules set out for creation. Once your character is created add 10 points to all skills. These are independent of other advances and serve only to bring your marine up to a more "Space Marine" level.
3) Follow the outlined advances. You have 7,000 XP to start with.
4) Each person will take the appropriate kit as defined in the rules set with the exception of weapons.
5) Each character may have the following: Up to 2 Basic or Pistol weapons you have the appropriate talents for or 1 Heavy and 1 Basic or Pistol weapon you have talents for as well as 2 Melee weapons or 1 Melee weapon and 1 Shield. All basic and pistol weapons will come with 10 standard reloads or the equivalent number of rounds in alternate clips.