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Shh, Teos..........Yes, yes it is that bad Deepcrush!

Okay, since his Tyyr already went through his posts point by point, I'll just lay this out here.

It is canonical fact that in Trek the bigger a ship is, the stronger and faster (FTL-wise) it is. As such, a group of smaller ships can not stand up to a battleship except in massively overwhelming numbers. Yes, some ships can take on larger vessels, most notably the Defiant class. Though that is due to having a technological advantage over their opponents in the field of weapons technology, and the fact that the vast majority of Trek ships are awfully designed in terms of combat.
Were a Defiant pitted against a hypothetical Federation battleship built purely for war (such as the Paladin class we brainstormed here), it would be torn apart with little difficulty.
Then there's also the fact that larger ships are faster at FTL speeds and than smaller ships and can remain on the frontlines for longer without having to return to a base to resupply. Thus giving a single battleship far greater strategic worth than an entire fleet of small ships.

The advantages to having as much internal space as possible far outweigh the advantages of maneuverability, IMO. With that greater volumn one can mount a huge power source. Beyond a certain size (can anyone say Borg Cube?) one could power all ships systems in a red alert capacity including the necessary shields to cover the greater area.

Then there's also the fact that larger ships are faster at FTL speeds and than smaller ships and can remain on the frontlines for longer without having to return to a base to resupply. Thus giving a single battleship far greater strategic worth than an entire fleet of small ships.

This is not a fact at all. Both the Intrepid and the Prometheus are faster than the Galaxy. The only modern ship that we know for a fact is slower than the Galaxy is the Defiant, and not by much. The canon top speeds suggest most smaller ships are faster than larger ships.

Teaos wrote:Your a gamer, its to be expected.

Yeah but I talk to people for gaming... I don't really type to them. Takes to long when bullets are flying.

Vic wrote:Shh, Teos..........Yes, yes it is that bad Deepcrush!

Just checking. Maybe its from hearing Jessbird doing the WoW speak.

stitch626 wrote:

Then there's also the fact that larger ships are faster at FTL speeds and than smaller ships and can remain on the frontlines for longer without having to return to a base to resupply. Thus giving a single battleship far greater strategic worth than an entire fleet of small ships.

This is not a fact at all. Both the Intrepid and the Prometheus are faster than the Galaxy. The only modern ship that we know for a fact is slower than the Galaxy is the Defiant, and not by much. The canon top speeds suggest most smaller ships are faster than larger ships.

The Prometheus is a brand new experimental vessel with dual warp cores and four nacelles. Hardly a good comparison.
We've no real idea as to when the Intrepid line was created, but my thought is that the moving nacelle thing is some sort of experimental engine, thus allowing it to move faster.
So bad examples there.

We don't know how long it took to design, but we know the year Voyager was launched and know it was the second of the class. So we can have a pretty good idea on when it was created.

I think we can assume, though, that one guy didn't design it in two days.

The point I'm making is that the only canon numbers to suggest that smaller = slower is the defiant (and the runabout if you count it as an actual starship).
Every other canon warp speed we have suggest that smaller = comparable or faster.

So you're saying the Miranda, Excelsior, New Orleans and Ambassador are faster then the GCS...? I don't think so.

The Prommy was the latest SOTA ship running two Warp Cores on a very limited supply of fuel by her size.
The Intrepid class was built around speed. Seeing that she had little weaponry to take up space.

You've picked out one purpose built race car ship and a SotA wank ship which hasn't been seen since which also had twice the power supply of any known SF ship. Not a very good argument.

Teaos wrote:We don't know how long it took to design, but we know the year Voyager was launched and know it was the second of the class. So we can have a pretty good idea on when it was created.

When was VOY launched?

stitch626 wrote:
The point I'm making is that the only canon numbers to suggest that smaller = slower is the defiant (and the runabout if you count it as an actual starship).
Every other canon warp speed we have suggest that smaller = comparable or faster.

We've precisely one ship (the Intrepid class) that may be a valid comparison that would imply smaller ships being faster or comparable. Not exactly rock solid evidence.

Additionaly, it would make more sense for larger ships to be faster FTL anyway. Larger reactors, more power supplies, larger nacelles, larger engines, more fuel stores, better cooling systems, greater range, etc.

Deepcrush wrote:So you're saying the Miranda, Excelsior, New Orleans and Ambassador are faster then the GCS...? I don't think so.

No, I'm not saying they are faster.
However, all of them are much older, and we have no canon speed numbers for any of them.

As I said, the only canon numbers to suggest that smaller = slower come from the defiant. This doesn't make smaller = slower a fact, as Rochey claimed it to be.
Learn to read, Deep.

The Prommy was the latest SOTA ship running two Warp Cores on a very limited supply of fuel by her size.
The Intrepid class was built around speed. Seeing that she had little weaponry to take up space.

So what. Rochey said that smaller = slower was a fact. These show from canon that such reasoning is incorrect.

As for Voyager having little weaponry, she had 13 phaser arrays and 4 torp launchers (and the mysterious ability to reproduce torpedoes).
The Galaxy has 2 torp launchers and 12 phaser arrays. Hmmm.

I wanna say 2370 but I'm not 100% sure...

stitch626 wrote:No, I'm not saying they are faster.
However, all of them are much older, and we have no canon speed numbers for any of them.

As I said, the only canon numbers to suggest that smaller = slower come from the defiant. This doesn't make smaller = slower a fact, as Rochey claimed it to be.
Learn to read, Deep.

You're bullshit now spreads to other threads...
Oh yay the flaming begins a new!

You said smaller = faster, those ships are smaller but at the time the GCS was the fastest ship in the fleet. That was until ships purpose built for speed over long range or combat ability. So, either prove how a ST of greater mass but equal build to a smaller ship of ST or just shut your trap.

Hehehehehehehehehe!

And you still can't seem to read what I wrote.

What I said was in response to:

Rochey wrote:It is canonical fact that in Trek the bigger a ship is, the stronger and faster (FTL-wise) it is.

It is not canonical fact that bigger = faster.
The only canon numbers to suggest such are from the Defiant.
And there are canon numbers showing smaller vessels faster than a larger one. So it isn't a fact that bigger = faster. That is what I've been saying, which you seem to either be ignoring or simply cannot grasp.

Deepcrush wrote:prove how a ST of greater mass but equal build to a smaller ship of ST

What exactly should I be proving here?


Now actually read my posts, or shut your own trap.