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Except we haven't just made stuff up. We've implemented things, but never changed canon to do so. If you want to set up a special away team, you'll have to do it on the ship by getting permission from the Captain, finding recruits, training them, etc

I thought that was implied

Well, you're still not part of the chain of command. Presumably if you were intergrated into the ship and given such a job at Ops, there'd be a slight reorganisation of ranks to go with it.

Wouldn't that mean either Mikey gets promoted, which would give us three commanders which was an issue that resulted in M'Real being a Lt. Commander Or M'Real gets demoted which would be insulting?

ChakatBlackstar wrote: Who?

Hewer is my Character, Sharkey is the shuttlebay controller, and Zionex is the shuttle pilot leader.

Don't call me dude. And we've never heard them mention special communication security protocals either but we have those now. If Monroe and Rochey can create stuff to be pains in the ass, why can't I create something that helps?

It doesn't do anything that advances the plot. It just doesn't fit in, for me. Mainly because we've already got people covering all the aspects you've mentioned.

Well, I figure her primary role would be briefings and debriefings, coordinating efforts, and possibly the need to send half the senior staff on every away mission.

All those aspects are, as I said, taken by other people - (de)briefings by the captain/XO, same with co-ordinating efforts...

Joining the operations department could be an issue since both M'Real and Mikey are of the same rank.

Irrelevant, it's the chain of command. Data is the same rank as La Forge and Worf and has more authority than them both. Worf was given the XO position in Rambit, despite being a lieutenant and La Forge being a Lt. Commander. B'elanna Torres - the chief engineer - was only a Lt. Junior Grade, while the assistant chief engineer was a full Lieutenant (Joe Carey).

Rank is only a rough guide to the chain of command.

I thought that was implied

Ah, I thought you meant taking command of a previously unmentioned unit.
Still, I don't really see the need for such an away team. What would the point be? We already have a corps of soldiers on board: the security personel. What could this away team do that a more flexible approach of picking the team as-needed couldn't?

Wouldn't that mean either Mikey gets promoted, which would give us three commanders which was an issue that resulted in M'Real being a Lt. Commander Or M'Real gets demoted which would be insulting?

Not necessarily. You could keep the same rank, yet still be subordinate to Mikey.

The point of security is to be highly trained in away missions. The point of diplomats are to be highly trained in diplomacy. What's the point of someone who would do all of those things when there are individual 'units' who can do it better? The same with briefing/debriefing - the captain/XO, co-ordinating away missions - operations.

Exactly. I don't see any realy need for a dedicated away team group.

Rochey wrote:Do Starfleet ships have a black box? I don't recall them ever being mentioned.

They've showed bridge conversations before. I think its pretty safe to say that the bridge had a black box.

Ah, okay then.

ChakatBlackstar wrote: Joining the operations department could be an issue since both M'Real and Mikey are of the same rank.

Often in the real life military a reduction of rank happens when you switch your job to a different job. Perhaps she takes a reduction in rank?

Sorry I've been away for a bit, and let me say... wow!

OK, my two cents. Mikey is dedicated to the chain of command and the interests of the ship, crew, and mission - AHEAD of any personal concerns. When he's been able to integrate his personal morality with avoiding anything endangering the ship/mission, he's done so - e.g., not telling anyone that Blackstar is still alive - but his loyalties are clear. Thus, he's come in for Rochey mroe than against him, although Mikey has tried to "temper" Rochey a bit. After that concern, the only side he's on is his own.

Sharkey doesn't live here anymore. We might have room for a flight deck officer, even though that had been previously held by a non-com.

I don't mind getting a promotion , but foregoing that option I could take on a staff member of the same rank, although it would be clearly a subordinate position, and in senior staff issues, mine would be the only voice coming from the ops department.

I believe shi already displayed some.....disatisfaction with that idea.

Often in the real life military a reduction of rank happens when you switch your job to a different job. Perhaps she takes a reduction in rank?

Do the words: "over your dead body" mean anything to you?

Sharkey doesn't live here anymore. We might have room for a flight deck officer, even though that had been previously held by a non-com.

She'd be better and more active at it. I'll take it. Maybe even teach those pilots a thing or two in her spare time.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:

Often in the real life military a reduction of rank happens when you switch your job to a different job. Perhaps she takes a reduction in rank?

Do the words: "over your dead body" mean anything to you?

Then maybe you should reroll. If your character's rank means oh so much to you.

Monroe wrote:

ChakatBlackstar wrote:

Often in the real life military a reduction of rank happens when you switch your job to a different job. Perhaps she takes a reduction in rank?

Do the words: "over your dead body" mean anything to you?

Then maybe you should reroll. If your character's rank means oh so much to you.

hmm...maybe I could take over security while I'm at it. (just teasing. But I would take your job in a heart beat)

That might make sense, being a former auxiliary-craft pilot and all. Bear this in mind, though - equivalent rank or not, the dept. head will have deference from his staff.

Mikey wrote:That might make sense, being a former auxiliary-craft pilot and all. Bear this in mind, though - equivalent rank or not, the dept. head will have deference from his staff.

Well, it would seem like it would make more sense to have different departments for ship ops and shuttle ops but I suppose ship ops would take priority in most cases anyway.