Deadliest Warrior

[Mark]

The Musketeer beat the Ming Warrior! Right on.

[Tyyr]

They should have, though I don't think they gave the nest of bee's it's due. I was also a bit annoyed that they completely ignored how unreliable the wheelock pistol was.

[Mikey]

They should have, though I don't think they gave the nest of bee's it's due. I was also a bit annoyed that they completely ignored how unreliable the wheelock pistol was.

That, and they completely didn't know what a "musketeer" was. They were going off of the Dumas-style, literary musketeer... one of the "king's musketeers" or black musketeers as it were, one of the body originally formed by Richilieu and then turned over to the king by Mazarin. In reality, 99.9999999% of all French "musketeers" of the period were an untrained and unreliable group of carabiniers, just re-equipped in order to find a place to dump all the junior sons of minor and unimportant noble houses.

[Tyyr]

I just sort of ignored that. It's far from the first time they took the more popularized version of a warrior instead of the reality.

[Mikey]

Well, that and they completey ignored the advantages of the dao over a rapier when in combat with each other. They tested them well enough separately against a target, but sort of forgot that a rapier wouldn't be able to parry a dao - at least not more than once.

[Tyyr]

Good point. The rapier really is set up for one kind of fighting to the exclusion of all others. I was actually very impressed with the Dao overall.

[Deepcrush]

Just got around to watching Ming v Musketeer and I have to admit I enjoyed it.

[Tyyr]

The Nest of Bees wasn't given it's due. Its not a pinpoint weapon used to take out a specific target, it's an area effect weapon. I doubt they'd have used just one of them at a time. Three or four firing into that big cluster of targets and I bet you'd be looking at 50% or better casualties.

[SolkaTruesilver]

The Nest of Bees wasn't given it's due. Its not a pinpoint weapon used to take out a specific target, it's an area effect weapon. I doubt they'd have used just one of them at a time. Three or four firing into that big cluster of targets and I bet you'd be looking at 50% or better casualties.

I don't watch the show, but I am intrigued. Do they evaluate the speed of reload, the general effectiveness of a weapon in a war, and other of those side-effects that makes a difference in war?

I mean, ultimately, you can have a powerful gun. But if it takes 2 minutes to reload and you need pretty extensive supplies to reload, and it has the tendency to jam, it's better go for the weaker, 20-seconds reload and relatively jam-free.

Or it's simply Warrior Vs Warrior with no overall war system analysis?

[Tyyr]

You've already put more thought into it than the people who make the show did. Most side effects are ignored in favor of which makes a ballistic gel dummy look worse. In the Ming vs. Musketeer fight they completely ignore the fact that the Wheellock pistol failed to actually fire more than 50% of the time and had to be reset.

[SolkaTruesilver]

Really? Oh.. I wouldn't be interested then.. (probably). I'd probably just get annoyed that the best questions are left unanswered.

I mean, ultimately, logistics and good organisation made a hell of difference in the outcomes of war, moreso than who had the fanciest guns.

[Mikey]

Indeed, if you'll read back in this thread you'll see that most of the entertainment value (for us, at least) comes from ripping apart the fallacious and specious methodologies used by the show, along with their complete and willful omission of facts which they deem inconvenient.

[Mikey]

The Nest of Bees wasn't given it's due.

Nor the dao. I think they could have spent the entire hour exploring in just how many ways the dao was superior to a 17th-c. French rapier.

[SolkaTruesilver]

The Nest of Bees wasn't given it's due.

Nor the dao. I think they could have spent the entire hour exploring in just how many ways the dao was superior to a 17th-c. French rapier.

What was the advantage of the French rapier over the Dao, however?

[Tyyr]

The dao actually got the nod over the rapier. Not that it had much of a reflection in the results as the rapier got over two and a half times the number of kills the dao got. The nest of bees also got a pissant 15 kills. The mechanical land mine while a very ingenious trap, is also not a weapon I'd ever consider in the kind of engagement they presume to portray.

Long story short The Deadliest Warrior has no basis in reality, at all.