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Mikey wrote: Not only is it obvious I apologized for nothing, the statement this refers to can't even be interpreted as an apology by any stretch. If you choose not to discuss it any longer, simply say so.

You said sorry, I accepted your apology. Don't say sorry in future if you're not.

Exactly my point! I wrote what you quoted, but you attributed it to someone else. In addition, you quoted to address an issue, when it was actually used to address a different conversation. That's deliberately taking it out of context.

Oh my god, thats it? I accidently left someone's name in when I quoted it? Hardly a different conversation, when you're talking in the same topic about the same issue as Seafort.

You're intelligent enough to determine the context of a remark, so deliberately altering the context is a fairly obvious gambit. I don't mind you quoting anything I write; but to intentionally mis-attribute a quote, or to intentionally take it out of context - especially when it was addressed specifically to a different issue - is just puerile.

Yes, I purposefully wrote the wrong name in the 'quote=' area to annoy you... Please, think about it.

Deepcrush wrote:I think thorin is just going loco! He's not really very 'grounded' anymore.

'Murder is a meaningless killing'

Murder is meaningless.

Deepcrush wrote:Murder is meaningless.

Your definition of murder: 'meaningless killing'

Its a bit shorter then what is listed but it fills out the reasoning just fine.

To take someone's life without reason, in such a way that violates their human rights and acted on without sanction.

In short. Meaningless.

Deep: yes, murder usually is meaningless, but that fact that a given killing is meaningless does not automatically make it murder.

I know, I wasn't taking a quote from westlaw. It was meant as a general statement. It just keeps going over Thorin's head for some weird reason.

The reason Thorin got so pissed off is because you gave the distinct impression that any meaningless killing is murder, and any killing with meaning is not. Which is bloody stupid.

Its a tricky line to walk but I would have thought he'd understand. My bad.

Captain Seafort wrote:The reason Thorin got so pissed off is because you gave the distinct impression that any meaningless killing is murder, and any killing with meaning is not. Which is bloody stupid.

The distinct impression? That's precisely what he said. There was no interpretation or need to infer. He defined it as all encompassing, the very definition of murder. Which is exactly why what he said was bloody stupid and yet he still thinks its correct and is trying to cover his tracks, and then has the audacity to insult people at the first possible chance. This is the reason I don't like talking to him at all, especially in arguements.
Whenever someone writes the words 'kid' I don't even need to read the rest of the post, it's going to be a load of crap like the stuff Deep normally writes.

WOW, relaxe bud. Besides, any meaningless killing is murder, maybe thats a mixed opinion but oh well. If theres no reason to it then how could it be anything but murder?

Deepcrush wrote:WOW, relaxe bud. Besides, any meaningless killing is murder, maybe thats a mixed opinion but oh well. If theres no reason to it then how could it be anything but murder?

Accidents.
If you accidentally kill someone, it's meaningless. There was no intention, it had no meaning - there was no purpose. But according to you; it's murder!
Or even when it wasn't meaningless; such as killing your great uncle to get his inheritance. It may not be a nice meaning, but it's still a meaningful killing. There was a purpose to it.

So by your definition, any accidental killing is murder, and any intentful, purposeful killing to get an inheritance isn't murder.

Come on kid, I'd have thought you'd have got this by now.

I think you just missed the whole moral of the point. Not that I'm shocked that you did, but still.

Do you always have this much trouble with context?

Deepcrush wrote:I think you just missed the whole moral of the point. Not that I'm shocked that you did, but still.

Do you always have this much trouble with context?

Nope - do you always have this problem even the most simple aspects of the english language?

Silly question.

I don't even expect you to understand things anymore, kid.

And what aspect might that be? Please little sir, do go on.

Aww, the little tike called me kid, thats so cute I could just bounce him on my knee!

No, really, my niece does that sometimes and its just adorable!