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Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:04 am
by Sionnach Glic
Woah, when the hell did that happen?

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:06 am
by Mark
I'd say about 11 posts ago, at the moment :mrgreen:

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:07 am
by Aaron
Rochey wrote:It's possible the shuttles had their own warp drives, which would allieviate some of those problems.
Odds are that they did, they had them on TOS shuttles after all.

Seven in the number of seats, you can easily pack double that number in. And assuming they had rations on board or a small replicator, they should have been able to survive quite well (if uncomformtabely). Mind you we have no idea how many crew Stargazer had or her pod or shuttle complement.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:08 am
by Blackstar the Chakat
Rochey wrote:Woah, when the hell did that happen?
Around 10,000 posts I think

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:26 am
by katefan
Since when do Ferengi put revenge above profit? Quark's cousin tried to kill him and he let it go to make a profit.
That is assuming all Ferengi think alike, but since DS9 we have seen that is not the case. Nog and Rom do not think like normal Ferengi, nor did the Grand Nagus. For a Ferengi to put revenge above profit might seem unusual but is by no means improbable. In fact, having a Ferengi think this way actually gave the race as a whole a bit more depth. I get sick of seeing entire species think and dress alike and 'Trek was very guilty of this for a long time.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:34 am
by Aaron
katefan wrote:
That is assuming all Ferengi think alike, but since DS9 we have seen that is not the case. Nog and Rom do not think like normal Ferengi, nor did the Grand Nagus. For a Ferengi to put revenge above profit might seem unusual but is by no means improbable. In fact, having a Ferengi think this way actually gave the race as a whole a bit more depth. I get sick of seeing entire species think and dress alike and 'Trek was very guilty of this for a long time.
The early TNG Ferengi were all members of the militay anyways, who typically have different outlooks on life than a civvie Expat bartender and his socially retarded brother.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:44 am
by Blackstar the Chakat
Cpl Kendall wrote:
katefan wrote:
That is assuming all Ferengi think alike, but since DS9 we have seen that is not the case. Nog and Rom do not think like normal Ferengi, nor did the Grand Nagus. For a Ferengi to put revenge above profit might seem unusual but is by no means improbable. In fact, having a Ferengi think this way actually gave the race as a whole a bit more depth. I get sick of seeing entire species think and dress alike and 'Trek was very guilty of this for a long time.
The early TNG Ferengi were all members of the militay anyways, who typically have different outlooks on life than a civvie Expat bartender and his socially retarded brother.
Where's the profit in serving the military? :P

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:45 am
by Aaron
Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
Where's the profit in serving the military? :P
Troll somewhere else.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:47 am
by Blackstar the Chakat
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
Where's the profit in serving the military? :P
Troll somewhere else.
I was serious. Why fight when you can negotiate?

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:49 am
by Mikey
Because we KNOW from the show that the early Ferengi were depicted with unis, rank titles, military-type heirarchical organization, etc.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:54 am
by Aaron
Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I was serious. Why fight when you can negotiate?

All right, given your prior behaviour I had my doubts.

How about because they get paid to serve in the military? And likely plunder and loot the people they defeat, they did steal an energy converter in The Last Outpost. Likely the Ferengi Alliance is structured along the lines of the old British Empire (whose primary purpose was to trade) and the Feregni military along the lines of the East India Company whose private military served as merchants and Navy (they had private troops as well).

That fit's neatly with their observed TNG behaviour and statements.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:57 am
by Blackstar the Chakat
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I was serious. Why fight when you can negotiate?

All right, given your prior behaviour I had my doubts.

How about because they get paid to serve in the military? And likely plunder and loot the people they defeat, they did steal an energy converter in The Last Outpost. Likely the Ferengi Alliance is structured along the lines of the old British Empire (whose primary purpose was to trade) and the Feregni military along the lines of the East India Company whose private military served as merchants and Navy (they had private troops as well).

That fit's neatly with their observed TNG behaviour and statements.
Oh...that makes sense. Guess I was thinking too modern.

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:19 am
by Reliant121
God i missed my chance to flame blackstar.

Simply put.

If you dont even bother to f*cking watch the episode, then dont f*cking debate it. your excuse: poor memory and no access to the episode. Simple answer, although i doubt you'd ever let it happen due to your incomprehensible stupidity/immaturity: Dont argue it, you moron!

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:56 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Reliant121 wrote:God i missed my chance to flame blackstar.

Simply put.

If you dont even bother to f*cking watch the episode, then dont f*cking debate it. your excuse: poor memory and no access to the episode. Simple answer, although i doubt you'd ever let it happen due to your incomprehensible stupidity/immaturity: Dont argue it, you moron!
I said I saw this episode! Am I saying this wrong? Am I not being clear enough?

Re: USS Stargazer

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:59 pm
by Aaron
Blackstar the Chakat wrote: I said I saw this episode! Am I saying this wrong? Am I not being clear enough?
You may have seen it but it's pretty clear that you don't put any effort into understanding it or any TNG.