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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:48 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I don't think we've ever heard of that happening before. And the crew were probably a bit preocupied to be worrying about standard protocols, what with the ship in danger.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:50 pm
by Thorin
Teaos wrote:That falls under Mikeys department so you'll have to ask him and be under him in chain of command.
The shuttle stuff (or particularly, the fighters) are generally under Hewer. Overall shuttle control is Operations, but the 'hands on' stuff is tactical. Away teams (the hands on stuff) would be classified under all departments, though again, operations would probably have overall control.

Saying that, as Seafort hasn't posted since the 3rd page, we need a chief engineer :wink:

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:00 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Well, his character is still around. He's just treated as an NPC now.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:04 pm
by Thorin
Rochey wrote:Well, his character is still around. He's just treated as an NPC now.
I couldn't find him being used in the last 15 pages :wink:

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:28 pm
by Sionnach Glic
True. I suppose that'd be because we didn't really need him for anything.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:30 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Thorin wrote:
Saying that, as Seafort hasn't posted since the 3rd page, we need a chief engineer :wink:
I call it! We can just say he died in the fire fight. If my "External Operations Officer" idea isn't okay with everyone that is. I figure being an EOO would let me be more active then an engineer

Oh, and the recording thing would be automatically recorded wouldn't it? So if the ship was lost and they recovered it's 'black box' torpedoe thingy(which I'm 80% certain has been mentioned) they would know what was going on in the ship's command center when it was destroyed?

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:43 pm
by Thorin
You could be an active Engineer. La Forge... Okay maybe not, but O'Brien was all over the place! As long as you can talk Technobable you're sorted :wink:

Personally I just don't think a sort of EOO position fits.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:47 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I call it! We can just say he died in the fire fight.
You'll have to ask Seafort's permission to kill off his character first. Although he's not doing anything, he may plan on returning at a later date, similar to what Thorin and Teaos did. PM him first and ask would it be okay to remove his character due to lack of use.
If my "External Operations Officer" idea isn't okay with everyone that is. I figure being an EOO would let me be more active then an engineer
Um, wasn't M'Real a pilot? I know Starfleet is more than a little retarded when it comes to deciding what to train its members, but I'm pretty sure an ex-pilot turned investigator wouldn't have the ability to take over command of the ship's engineering department. If you're going to take this route, I'd suggest a new character.
Oh, and the recording thing would be automatically recorded wouldn't it?
Would it? I'm not sure we've seen any indication of such recording practices.
So if the ship was lost and they recovered it's 'black box' torpedoe thingy(which I'm 80% certain has been mentioned) they would know what was going on in the ship's command center when it was destroyed?
Do Starfleet ships have a black box? I don't recall them ever being mentioned.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:57 pm
by Thorin
Well, Blackstar, maybe you could just completely take over Seafort's character and just kill off/keep M'Real as an NPC.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:59 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Thorin wrote:You could be an active Engineer. La Forge... Okay maybe not, but O'Brien was all over the place! As long as you can talk Technobable you're sorted :wink:

Personally I just don't think a sort of EOO position fits.
Well, most of the senior staff was on the last away mission. Having a specialist would reduce the number of senior staff members needed to coordinate an away mission. She can also coordinate main shuttle bay operations.
Do Starfleet ships have a black box? I don't recall them ever being mentioned
I'm almost certain they mentioned something to that effect somewhere. I'll try to see if I can find anything about it.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:14 pm
by Thorin
ChakatBlackstar wrote: Well, most of the senior staff was on the last away mission. Having a specialist would reduce the number of senior staff members needed to coordinate an away mission. She can also coordinate main shuttle bay operations.
We've already got people in the shuttlebay - Sharkey as the controller and Hewer/Zionex as the leader(s) of the pilots. There's never been a mention of a special away team dude, I just don't see what can make you better at an away mission. If it's diplomatic, you send a diplomat. If it's a 'mystery' you send the scientists. If it's a battle, you send security. Generally in 'real' ST a lot of senior staff go anyway. I just don't see how you can specialise in away misisons.

I'm sure joining the operations department would work, but just not a separate position that holds 'hands on' control which would normally be delegated to individual departments - shuttles to tactical, away missions to whichever department requires it, etc etc.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:16 pm
by Sionnach Glic
After checking Memory Alpha, it appears they do have black boxes. However, they're only indicated to contain stuff like logs, the status of shipboard systems, and sensor readouts. Nothing about internal ship transmissions, though.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:42 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Thorin wrote:
We've already got people in the shuttlebay - Sharkey as the controller and Hewer/Zionex as the leader(s) of the pilots.
Who?
There's never been a mention of a special away team dude
Don't call me dude. And we've never heard them mention special communication security protocals either but we have those now. If Monroe and Rochey can create stuff to be pains in the ass, why can't I create something that helps?
I just don't see what can make you better at an away mission. If it's diplomatic, you send a diplomat. If it's a 'mystery' you send the scientists. If it's a battle, you send security. Generally in 'real' ST a lot of senior staff go anyway. I just don't see how you can specialise in away misisons.


Well, I figure her primary role would be briefings and debriefings, coordinating efforts, and possibly the need to send half the senior staff on every away mission.
I'm sure joining the operations department would work, but just not a separate position that holds 'hands on' control which would normally be delegated to individual departments - shuttles to tactical, away missions to whichever department requires it, etc etc.
Joining the operations department could be an issue since both M'Real and Mikey are of the same rank.

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:43 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Rochey wrote:After checking Memory Alpha, it appears they do have black boxes. However, they're only indicated to contain stuff like logs, the status of shipboard systems, and sensor readouts. Nothing about internal ship transmissions, though.
Don't black boxes always record what happens in the cockpit/Bridge?

Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:48 pm
by Sionnach Glic
And we've never heard them mention special communication security protocals either but we have those now.
Yes, because myself and Munro set them up deliberately. They weren't pre-planned protocols, we just went ahead and locked down access to the comms system.
If Monroe and Rochey can create stuff to be pains in the ass, why can't I create something that helps?
Except we haven't just made stuff up. We've implemented things, but never changed canon to do so. If you want to set up a special away team, you'll have to do it on the ship by getting permission from the Captain, finding recruits, training them, etc.
Joining the operations department could be an issue since both M'Real and Mikey are of the same rank.
Well, you're still not part of the chain of command. Presumably if you were intergrated into the ship and given such a job at Ops, there'd be a slight reorganisation of ranks to go with it.
Don't black boxes always record what happens in the cockpit/Bridge?
Modern black boxes do. No indication that the Starfleet ones, which really seem more like dedicated data recorders than what we'd consider a black box, can do the same.