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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:43 am
by Blackstar the Chakat
Teaos wrote:And the captain waved the punishment.
Actually it went down like this:
As Captain Fetcher mewed over his options he was interrupted, "Commander Rochey to Captain Fetcher, we are coming up on the disabled ship."

The captain nodded to himself Munro would have to be delt with later, "On my way." He stood up and left his confernce room where M'Real and him had been speaking earlier.
It hasn't really been dealt with since then.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:26 am
by Sionnach Glic
Nothing's going to happen on that front. What he did was clear-cut, and he saved the lives of all the others by shooting the guy. A little excessive, but it was necessary. Also, Rochey can make sure this goes nowhere by simply tying the whole case up in a mass of red tape.
The Captain's smart enough to know that despite Munro's.......unorthodox tactics, he gets things done, and is a very useful crew member. He'd also have realised that there was simply nothing else Munro could have done.
Also, pursuing a trial against Munro is going to be frought with dificulties. Who's going to act as judge and jury? We're out in the middle of hostile space, and I doubt Starfleet's going to send a ship just for this. Any trial would be overseen by the ship's officers, which would mean that the case would be over before it began, and Munro would get off scott-free.
There's also the fact that pursuing the trial will give Rochey even more ammunition to use against you. He's already got a suspicion that you're xenophobic towards non-Federation races, and doing this will, rightly or wrongly, confirm that suspicion for him.
Monroe wrote:I really don't think with our brig and cargo bay stuffed with prisoners and we still have like 17 rescued personel with the crew that we should be running around doing space races. The ship should head to meet the Bangalore and transfer the prisoners and rescued humans.
I'm not a big fan of it either, but I think we reached a compromise on that, seeing as how Blackstar is determined to have a race.
It's going to take place after this mission. We're stopping by a starbase for R&R, and M'Real nicks a shuttle to go racing with some people nearby.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:04 am
by Teaos
The rest of us can do something productive while it happens.

Yeah Monroe is getting off, he has the three senior officers on his side and saved the away team. At most the captain would take him away and have a word about it.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:59 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Teaos wrote:Yeah Monroe is getting off, he has the three senior officers on his side and saved the away team. At most the captain would take him away and have a word about it.
Sure, but when Blackstar saved lives, including risking hir own life to save Rochey's, shi got shot by tranqs. :roll: Am I the only one who sees a lack of consistency? Monroe should have some sort of disciplinary action taken against him rather then just sweeping it under the carpet.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:05 pm
by Teaos
Blackstar was disrespectful, rude, with held information, didnt follow orders, boarder on out right mutany and put the mission at risk.

You cant burn bridges and expect fair treatment.

Monroe did what he felt was needed to keep the mission going.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:05 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Munro didn't disobey direct orders on numerous occasions, nor did he try to kill his superior officer. Munro's actions saved lives, Blackstar's actions saved lives that hir own actions caused to be placed in danger. We've been through this before, there's quite a difference.
Also, having the ship's XO on your side (who also has most of the senior officers on his side) tends to help. You didn't, so he brought his full authority to bear to take you down. Munro does, and he's a very useful officer to Rochey, so he gets as much help as the Commander can give him.
No inconsitancey, it's just a matter of circumstance.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:17 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
He still shouldn't get off scott free. Purhaps a reduction in rank or time in the Brig might be in order. As well as a lesson on avoiding friendly fire, just as a precaution. Unless we want him to think it's okay to shoot his own people whenever it suits him.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:19 pm
by Teaos
But if we do something like that it becomes official. The captain and crew would probably want it to stay in ship. Monroe will have words with the captain and told not to do it again.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:24 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Teaos wrote:But if we do something like that it becomes official. The captain and crew would probably want it to stay in ship. Monroe will have words with the captain and told not to do it again.
Why would they protect someone who killed one of their own? Do you really think he should get away with a just a talk for murder? Am I the only one who thinks he did something wrong?

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:45 pm
by Teaos
You got away with what a lot of people would consider worse.

The three main officers on board seem to be fine with having their own little cover up and dealing with it internally. What good will come out of airing Daystroms dirty laundy in public.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:52 pm
by Sionnach Glic
He still shouldn't get off scott free.
Maybe not, but life ain't fair. The worst that's going to happen to him is an official reprimand.
Purhaps a reduction in rank or time in the Brig might be in order.
For what? Keeping the mission going and saving the lives of all the other redshirts under his command? Yeah, he killed someone, but losses are to be expected.
Unless we want him to think it's okay to shoot his own people whenever it suits him.
He already knows that. It was a matter of killing one guy, or getting everyone else killed. He made the right call.
Why would they protect someone who killed one of their own?
Because he saved the lives of all the others, because he gets things done, because he's a good and effecient officer, and because the majority of the officers are on the Commander's side, and therefore are on Munro's side.
Do you really think he should get away with a just a talk for murder?
Hey, I'm not complaining. I'm hardly going to be happy seeing my right-hand enforcer get sent to the brig, am I? Plus, there's the fact that, for various reasons, the other officers won't do anything against him:

Rochey doesn't care how many people die as long as things get done.
Mikey recognises that although it wasn't a great thing to do it was necessary.
Teaos, although he's pretty much the anti-thesis of Rochey and Munro, also agrees that it was the only option.
The Comms Officer is on Rochey's side, due to being bribed with a promotion, and will take Munro's side because of this.
M'Real is outside the chain of command on the Daystrom, and can't do anything but make recomendations to the Captain.

The only ones who might take M'Real's side on this issue are:
Thorin, of whom we have no idea where he stands on this issue. He could go either way.
Reliant's character (forgot the name, sorry), although again we don't know exactly where he stands on this. Also, what's his rank? He may not even count as one of the senior officers if he's lower than a Lieutenant.

At best, it would be Thorin, Reliant and M'Real, none of whom were on the mission at all, against Rochey, Munro, Mikey, Teaos, and Comms Guy, three of whom were on the mission, and have first-hand knowledge of what went on there.

The only one who was on the mission that's on M'Real's side is Blackstar, and shi's no longer on the ship.

Basicaly, the Captain would be going against the advice and wills of the majority of his officers by doing anything to Munro.
Am I the only one who thinks he did something wrong?
Not at all. We simply realise that sometimes a little wrong is necessary.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:52 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
that it was the only option
WTF? It was hardly the only option. I could easily name two or three other options.

There are also two other concerns that need to be addresed. Both involving crewman with time limits. Some coming up sooner then others.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:55 pm
by Sionnach Glic
WTF? It was hardly the only option. I could easily name two or three other options.
Care to name them? Stunning the guy probably wouldn't have worked, the guard could easily have noticed that the guy was still breathing.
There are also two other concerns that need to be addresed. Both involving crewman with time limits. Some coming up sooner then others.
What concerns are these? :?

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:11 pm
by Monroe
Also Blackstar ruined our cover and started a dogfight over a crowded slave market place. Hundreds of civilians died in the resulting firefight. That's not really a good alternative to Boush trying to keep the disguise going.

Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:20 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Rochey wrote:
WTF? It was hardly the only option. I could easily name two or three other options.
Care to name them? Stunning the guy probably wouldn't have worked, the guard could easily have noticed that the guy was still breathing.
Well, for starters he could've called up someone who had contacts who could vouch for him. Now who could have helped with that... :roll:
There are also two other concerns that need to be addresed. Both involving crewman with time limits. Some coming up sooner then others.
What concerns are these? :?
Well M'Real is only around to investigate the large number of deaths. And Rochey is an exchange officer who will have to be given back to the Tholians sooner or later.