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Mikey wrote:Meh. The modified idea - having some volunteers do an unoffical, off-hours type of thing - solves the both problems of having a Starfleet-sanctioned trip for it, AND of having people involved who don't want to be.

Thank you Mikey!

Okay, maybe I'm going about this the wrong way. How about this then: The Daystrom pulls in for routine R&R&R&R(repairs, refuel, rest, and relaxation) type stuff, at a base. Some of the local systems are getting together for a race, and some of the Daystrom crew volunteers to represent Starfleet

*shrug* Go for it, seeing as how you're set on having a race for some reason.

Or it's a race to see who can hit all the targets the fastest.

That's still not a race in the conventional sense. If you're trying to take down targets, then it is a dogfight.

Acutally Mikey helped work with hir on it, and M'Real is hir adopted sister so those two would know a thing or two about.

I don't recall Mikey doing much with it. I think you got yourself kicked off the ship before anything really went on there.
As for M'Real, why would she know anything about a shuttle she didn't even know you were building?

To have fun?

Nope, still not justifying the waste of resources. Try again.

Mikey wrote:Meh. The modified idea - having some volunteers do an unoffical, off-hours type of thing - solves the both problems of having a Starfleet-sanctioned trip for it, AND of having people involved who don't want to be.

That one works. Though you're still going to run into the problem of getting the shuttle handed over to you in the first place. I doubt Starfleet lets just anyone hop into the things for a joy-ride. You'd need a pretty convincing argument before any of the officers let you anywhere near a ship. And "to have fun" is not a convincing argument.

Rochey wrote:That one works. Though you're still going to run into the problem of getting the shuttle handed over to you in the first place. I doubt Starfleet lets just anyone hop into the things for a joy-ride. You'd need a pretty convincing argument before any of the officers let you anywhere near a ship. And "to have fun" is not a convincing argument.

As long as everything is under the watchful eye of the Daystrom, I don't think Fletcher would have a huge problem. It might actually encourage some creative conversation and role-playing!

But you're right about our uber-shuttle; Mikey didn't do anything with it since before the away mission.

I'd say the best way to ensure the shuttle's kept in one piece is to send an officer along with it.
No, I am not volunteering.

I might be convinced. I huess we'll have to see how that plays out.

Indeed. We'll need to figure out who else is taking part, too.

*shrug* Go for it, seeing as how you're set on having a race for some reason

Hey, it's the only sport I'm good at and like.

That's still not a race in the conventional sense. If you're trying to take down targets, then it is a dogfight.

Its a race to see who's the fastest sharpshooter so it's still a type of race.

As for M'Real, why would she know anything about a shuttle she didn't even know you were building?

She'd know hir sister's tricks

Nope, still not justifying the waste of resources. Try again.

To get women?

That one works. Though you're still going to run into the problem of getting the shuttle handed over to you in the first place. I doubt Starfleet lets just anyone hop into the things for a joy-ride. You'd need a pretty convincing argument before any of the officers let you anywhere near a ship. And "to have fun" is not a convincing argument.

While M'Real doesn't like to do it too often, having an Admiral for an adapted mother can have its advanteges when it comes to string pulling.


But it's nice to see you're letting me go for it though

Its a race to see who's the fastest sharpshooter so it's still a type of race.

Not if you have to engage in a dogfight to hit said targets. Then it becomes a dogfight.

She'd know hir sister's tricks

How does knowing hir tricks translate into instantly knowing what shi's doing with a shuttle that's barely built yet?

To get women?

No.

While M'Real doesn't like to do it too often, having an Admiral for an adapted mother can have its advanteges when it comes to string pulling.

Not a good idea. Here's how that situation will go:
You call your mother to get her to pull some strings so you can take a joy-ride in the shuttle.
Rochey finds out that the Admiral is your mother.
Rochey then shrieks 'nepotism' every time you get any treatment that could even be vaguely considered to be preferential, and uses it as ammo to further try to destroy M'Real's credibility.

So, no, not a good idea.
Appealing to the Captain would be the best way to do it, though you'd want to have some pretty airtight reasons to make sure the Commander can't pick holes in them and try and get the shuttle back where it belongs.

But it's nice to see you're letting me go for it though

I have no problem with this one because it's plausable, and makes some sense. Of course, the Commander's not going to be too pleased with you lot hijacking a shuttle to go off to some race with, so you'd want to try to get him off your case if you want an easy ride. Either assuring him you're not out to get him, or simply aiming his suspicion in a different direction might allieviate his hotility towards you. Or maybe he'll be on the planet enjoying some R&R, in which case you won't have to worry about him.

How does knowing hir tricks translate into instantly knowing what shi's doing with a shuttle that's barely built yet?

She'd know what her sister was thinking when shi was designing and building it.

have no problem with this one because it's plausable, and makes some sense. Of course, the Commander's not going to be too pleased with you lot hijacking a shuttle to go off to some race with, so you'd want to try to get him off your case if you want an easy ride. Either assuring him you're not out to get him, or simply aiming his suspicion in a different direction might allieviate his hotility towards you. Or maybe he'll be on the planet enjoying some R&R, in which case you won't have to worry about him.

Hmm...howabout this: Having a new, more advanced shuttle with more speed and sensor capacity it could increase efficiency for shuttle-based missions and the race would be a good chance to test it's abilities in a live situation.

She'd know what her sister was thinking when shi was designing and building it.

She may know the overall idea that shi would have had, but that doesn't meant she instantly knows where to go from there.

Hmm...howabout this: Having a new, more advanced shuttle with more speed and sensor capacity it could increase efficiency for shuttle-based missions and the race would be a good chance to test it's abilities in a live situation.

Might work. Though you'd need to get the shuttle built and finished before the race, so you'd probably want to get going with it.
Then again, you'll probably run into the Commander, who just wants it broken down again for spare parts.

Rochey wrote:

She'd know what her sister was thinking when shi was designing and building it.

She may know the overall idea that shi would have had, but that doesn't meant she instantly knows where to go from there.

No but it's better then trying to figure it out without any frame of reference whatsoever.

Hmm...howabout this: Having a new, more advanced shuttle with more speed and sensor capacity it could increase efficiency for shuttle-based missions and the race would be a good chance to test it's abilities in a live situation.

Might work. Though you'd need to get the shuttle built and finished before the race, so you'd probably want to get going with it.
Then again, you'll probably run into the Commander, who just wants it broken down again for spare parts.

Which would be a waste of resources that were put into designing and building the shuttle, and we know how the Commander dislikes waste. And if they(they being M'Real and whoever else gets roped into this) get permission from the Captain first the Commander can't really do anything about it.

And I'd have all the details on file. Good excuse, BTW - "testing the new craft's abilities."

No but it's better then trying to figure it out without any frame of reference whatsoever.

Quite true. I was just pointing out it won't be easy to pick up from where shi left off.

Which would be a waste of resources that were put into designing and building the shuttle, and we know how the Commander dislikes waste.

Considering he wasn't exactly all for the shuttle in the first place, I think he'd prefer the man-hours that were spent building it to simply be discarded, and have the shuttle turned back into what it was before: replacement parts for the other shuttles. Unless you can convince him of the use of such a shuttle, he's going to maintain that attitude.

And if they(they being M'Real and whoever else gets roped into this) get permission from the Captain first the Commander can't really do anything about it.

Quite true. However, if you want to alieviate the hostility between M'Real and Rochey then it may be a good idea to at least let him know what you're planning on doing. It'd show that you aren't simply ignoring his rank by constantly going above his head, and indicate (either truthfuly or not) that you value having his authority on your side.
Simply ignoring him and going over his head is just going to make things worse.

Quite true. However, if you want to alieviate the hostility between M'Real and Rochey then it may be a good idea to at least let him know what you're planning on doing. It'd show that you aren't simply ignoring his rank by constantly going above his head, and indicate (either truthfuly or not) that you value having his authority on your side.
Simply ignoring him and going over his head is just going to make things worse.

Alright, what would you recommend?

Oh, and someone really should finish the whole prisoner escape.

I'll do it tonight.