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So what are the hypothosized strength indices for the Kelvin-class?

Beam Firepower :
Torpedo Firepower :
Weapon Range and Accuracy :
Shield Strength :
Hull Armour :
Speed :
Combat Manoeuvrability :

Impossible.

The whole point of those numbers is that they are based off the strenght of the GCS. The Kelvin is a different universe with rather different scale and power.

You would have to start a whole new scale for the new universe, but we dont have enough example of powers to do that.

Teaos wrote:You would have to start a whole new scale for the new universe, but we dont have enough example of powers to do that.

That was my thought as well; we have no real frame of reference against 2300's tech, except the Narada. Which could be as powerful as a Borg Cube, or weaker than a runabout for all we know.

We didnt really see that many weapons fire. And it was only against the Narada which has a totally unknown strenght as it is a century more advanced than the ships firing at it and possibly has Borg tech.

Teaos wrote:Impossible.

The whole point of those numbers is that they are based off the strenght of the GCS. The Kelvin is a different universe with rather different scale and power.

You would have to start a whole new scale for the new universe, but we dont have enough example of powers to do that.

The Kelvin is part of the PRIME universe as well as the alternate universe. It was the divergent point, remember?

Did we see it preform in the Prime universe? No? Cant judge it.

SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote:The Kelvin is part of the PRIME universe as well as the alternate universe. It was the divergent point, remember?

Like I said, we didn't see it up against anything but the Narada, which we also have no point of reference for.

exactly, so while it is part of the same time line as the GCS from TNG, we never saw it do anything against another ship from that timeline, leaving us no numbers to start with that we can then manipulate based on where it was better and where it was worse off.


Here's a scary thought, with the more militaristic side of Starfleet after the Kelvin attack, the GCS might actually be a true warship in this timeline.

The GCS will never be built in its current configuration. Better battleships can be built and better explorers can be built.

true.

Whilst we can't judge the Kelvin against anything we know, it is part of the preferred timeline; there's no reason why we can't at least speculate.

I tried to peg the specs as closer to the NX than the Constitution, on the grounds that the Kelvin was 1) an old design, and 2) not really a combat starship / explorer type as the NX/Connies were.

(And dammit, I only just noticed that I didn't set the strengthh figures to show up. Whoopsies.)

Can't trust you to do anything right around here can we?

Pretty much all ship building is up in the air at this point. While it might be fun to do a JJ'd GCS or Sovereign, or Nebula...mmmm Nebula, there's no way of knowing if them or anything even remotely like them will be built.

GrahamKennedy wrote:Whilst we can't judge the Kelvin against anything we know, it is part of the preferred timeline; there's no reason why we can't at least speculate.

I tried to peg the specs as closer to the NX than the Constitution, on the grounds that the Kelvin was 1) an old design, and 2) not really a combat starship / explorer type as the NX/Connies were.

(And dammit, I only just noticed that I didn't set the strengthh figures to show up. Whoopsies.)

Honestly, both strength figures you put seeom a bit too low. Shouldn't the Kelvin-class have more firepower than the Vulcan ships that were from half a century before?

I've rated it somewhat low for a couple of reasons. The movie website calls it a survey vessel. It's not a warship nor an "Explorer". That idea is reinforced by the fact that it seems to lack torpedo launchers of any kind, and that it has a mucking great shuttle bay with at least 20 and possibly as many as 40 shuttles in it (we see 20 on screen at once, and the one Kirk's wife takes is referred to as "shuttle 37".)

And as I said, these looked like - and were referred to by the producers - as old ships. They aren't state of the art in 2233, they are more like state of the art in 2200.

I don't find it unreasonable that a state of the art survey ship in 2200 is somewhat weaker than a Vulcan combat cruiser of 50 years earlier. How would a modern day survey ship, even an armed one, fare against the Iowa? (I know, not a really valid comparison but it's funny)

Beam Firepower : 60
Torpedo Firepower : 62.5
Weapon Range and Accuracy : 80
Shield Strength : 74.074
Hull Armour : 200.313
Speed : 267.338
Combat Manoeuvrability : 3500
Total: 103.791

My take on the Kelvin-class.