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[Deepcrush]

You should read the "As far as we KNOW" part of what I said. You have a idea that you would like to use. But, just because you like the thought of it doesnt' make it cannon. Sorry.

I read it. It's still wrong and conjecture.
We know that the Federation has access to future weapons and future armour.
Whether it is used at any particular time is irrelevant. If it has access to them, then they can use it.

Wrong, that means they have access to it. Use and Access are two very different things that you are getting mixed up.

[Captain Seafort]

Now your just acting stupid kid. You need to think about this. We all get over taken with our ideas once in a while but you've just gone past that point and hit foolish. Time to stop and think.

Says the bloke with the QT obsession.

[Thorin]

Wrong, that means they have access to it. Use and Access are two very different things that you are getting mixed up.

I'm not saying they are using them. I'm saying they can use them. The only counter arguement that says they can't use them is that the E-E doesn't have them. To which I have gave countless explanations.

[Deepcrush]

Now your just acting stupid kid. You need to think about this. We all get over taken with our ideas once in a while but you've just gone past that point and hit foolish. Time to stop and think.

Says the bloke with the QT obsession.

I know right! That should be a sign!

[Captain Seafort]

I'm not saying they are using them. I'm saying they can use them. The only counter arguement that says they can't use them is that the E-E doesn't have them. To which I have gave countless explanations.

And I've explained a few times why your "don't upset the neighbours" excuse doesn't work.

[Thorin]

I'm not saying they are using them. I'm saying they can use them. The only counter arguement that says they can't use them is that the E-E doesn't have them. To which I have gave countless explanations.

And I've explained a few times why your "don't upset the neighbours" excuse doesn't work.

You've attempted to explain, once, wrongly, why it doesn't work. I have yet to hear a reply regarding why your explanation was wrong, or to my countless other explanations.

[Captain Seafort]

I reiterate that that "it might upset the neighbours" is not a valid argument - the Feds would still posess the technology, the Tal Shiar or some other such organisation would probably find out and try and steal it (as they did with the Prometheus) and you're screwed, because they certainly will develop and deploy the tech, leaving the Federation playing catch-up.

I'll also reiterate that the Federation has always deployed the mos advanced weapons available on its ships (and pressed on with Genesis despite its clear potential as a weapon), regardless of others' opinions. There is no reason to believe that they would not do the same on this ocassion if they had the capability.

[Thorin]

I'll also reiterate that the Federation has always deployed the mos advanced weapons available on its ships (and pressed on with Genesis despite its clear potential as a weapon), regardless of others' opinions. There is no reason to believe that they would not do the same on this ocassion if they had the capability.

Despite the fact there is no comparison with a weapon that is an order of magnitude better than what they already have. As the Genesis device was clearly stopped (due to it never being shown again!) it seems you just argued against your own point. As was the phase cloak. In fact, the Feds signed a whole treaty which made them increadibly weaker (no cloak), just to avoid conflict.
It makes sense that they wouldn't use it until it is needed.
Do you not agree that it makes sense that they wouldn't use super-weapons until their needed, to avoid things like arms races, upsetting the peace... etc.
What, exactly, is the point of all the aggro of arming ships with this technology when it's not required. It clearly only takes a few days to get the technology up and running (and that's on Voyager, a ship full of morons with the biggest one in command, and a relatively small crew).

[mlsnoopy]

What if the TT were produced by the shutle not the ship.

[Thorin]

What if the TT were produced by the shutle not the ship.

I have a hard time believing they could even fit a single full size torpedo inside that shuttle...

[Captain Seafort]

It makes sense that they wouldn't use it until it is needed.
Do you not agree that it makes sense that they wouldn't use super-weapons until their needed, to avoid things like arms races, upsetting the peace... etc.

They wouldn't use them unless required (such as an enormous planet-killer heading for Earth), but they would develop and deploy them, so that they're ready when needed. Look at nuclear weapons - no major power would unilaterally decide not to deploy them in the hope that if they don't no one else will.

[Captain Seafort]

What if the TT were produced by the shutle not the ship.

I have a hard time believing they could even fit a single full size torpedo inside that shuttle...

Agreed - if Janeway brought the actual weapons back, it could only have been some component, such as the warhead, not the entire casing.

[mlsnoopy]

I can see how the AA generators can be produced by the ship and that next show that will happen after Nemesis the ship shoud have the generators intigrated into the hull, but the TT could be lost beacuse they come from a diffrent time line.

[Thorin]

They wouldn't use them unless required (such as an enormous planet-killer heading for Earth), but they would develop and deploy them, so that they're ready when needed. Look at nuclear weapons - no major power would unilaterally decide not to deploy them in the hope that if they don't no one else will.

They don't need developing, they'd just need deploying. As they only need a few days (if that on a ship with a large crew) to be deployed, it's no problem, and doesn't have any aggro of arms races or the like.

If you actually look at nuclear weapons, the majority are actually decomissioned yet still classified as nuclear weapons. I believe something like only 200 of Britain's 700 nuclear weapons are active.
The Federation operates on the principles of peace (quite naively), and has been shown (the treaty with the Romulans), to put this ahead of their own strength. It is no far cry to say not giving all ships these weapons is the same case - not provoking anyone to try and match them.

There is a 0% need to deploy them. They are not in war. Nuclear weapons (transphasic torpedos), were deployed in time of war, and other countries built them to stop to the first country destroying them, in the hope of using them as a major deterrant. As no one else has transphasic torpedos, or anything like that, they don't need to deploy them. If the USA (Feds) created an energy sapping weapon that could cause absolute destruction to a 1000km radius, then you'd expect other countries to try and also create this, particularly Russia (Klingons). However, if the USA doesn't show they have this weapon, no one else will try and counter it.

The point? Why put a weapon out there and then spur an arms race, when it is just as easy not to put it out there until it is needed?

[Captain Seafort]

Nuclear weapons are deployed constantly - what do you think the Trident subs patrol with? The analogy isn't quite accurate, since TTs are, relatively, far less powerful than strategic nukes (probably about equivalent to a small tac-nuke), but the point that you don't wait until you need them to deploy them stands. Have them constantly shipped aboard your key ships (Sovs, Prommies, Akiras), as the US almost certainly does, so if you need to deploy them, all it needs is a quick call from the President.