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OK, here's one: does anyone (except Seafort) know where ST: DS9 got the term "jem'hadar?"

Dune?

Jim wrote:Dune?

That was "sardaukar."

I seem to remember it's a rank in an army somewhere. I want to say... Indian?

I always thought Jem'Hadar was one of the very best species names they ever came up with in Star Trek.

Graham Kennedy wrote:I seem to remember it's a rank in an army somewhere. I want to say... Indian?

I always thought Jem'Hadar was one of the very best species names they ever came up with in Star Trek.

Ding, ding.

Beginning with the British Indian Army, "jemadar" was a junior CO rank, inferior to "subadar." It has since been replaced with "naib subadar."

Mikey wrote:

Graham Kennedy wrote:I seem to remember it's a rank in an army somewhere. I want to say... Indian?

I always thought Jem'Hadar was one of the very best species names they ever came up with in Star Trek.

Ding, ding.

Beginning with the British Indian Army, "jemadar" was a junior CO rank, inferior to "subadar." It has since been replaced with "naib subadar."

Didn't naib subadar copilot the Falcon on the second Death Star run?

Jim wrote:

Mikey wrote:

Graham Kennedy wrote:I seem to remember it's a rank in an army somewhere. I want to say... Indian?

I always thought Jem'Hadar was one of the very best species names they ever came up with in Star Trek.

Ding, ding.

Beginning with the British Indian Army, "jemadar" was a junior CO rank, inferior to "subadar." It has since been replaced with "naib subadar."

Didn't naib subadar copilot the Falcon on the second Death Star run?

Nien Nubb or something like that.

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Mikey wrote:Beginning with the British Indian Army, "jemadar" was a junior CO rank, inferior to "subadar." It has since been replaced with "naib subadar."

Previously known as a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer, as distinct from a King's or Queen's Commissioned Officer.

Captain Seafort wrote:

Mikey wrote:Beginning with the British Indian Army, "jemadar" was a junior CO rank, inferior to "subadar." It has since been replaced with "naib subadar."

Previously known as a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer, as distinct from a King's or Queen's Commissioned Officer.

IIRC, all ranks conferred on native troops were considered Viceroy's Commissions, not just junior CO's - that way, a Brit officer of the same rank as a native Indian or Nepalese officer would still always be superior.

Mikey wrote:IIRC, all ranks conferred on native troops were considered Viceroy's Commissions, not just junior CO's - that way, a Brit officer of the same rank as a native Indian or Nepalese officer would still always be superior.

You're correct in saying that the vast majority of Indian commissioned officers were VCOs (although there were a few who received a King's/Queen's Commission), but JCOs weren't a subset of them - it's simply the post-independence term for a VCO (given that there hasn't been a Viceroy to award commissions for almost 70 years). It's also not correct to say that "a Brit officer of the same rank as a native Indian or Nepalese officer would still always be superior", because VCOs were different ranks to those awarded to British officers, and if a native officer received a (rare) King's or Queen's Commission, their commission was treated in exactly the same way as a British officer's.

Well, thanks for clearing that up.

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