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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:14 am
by Granitehewer
we only ever saw an avian head,afterall, a skull to be precise

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:17 am
by Monroe
They said the skies used to be filled with Avians. I took that to mean independent flight.

I liked the Xindi personally.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:32 am
by Mikey
Monroe wrote:They said the skies used to be filled with Avians. I took that to mean independent flight.
OK, if that was said onscreen, I'll accept it. It begs the question, though, of hands. It just wouldn't work as far as the avian forelimbs we know of, and even 'Trek has never gone far enough, IIRC, to claim a vertebrate species with more than four limbs.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:17 am
by Teaos
They could have hands at the end of their wings. Bats have something like that.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:34 am
by Mikey
In bats and birds, the leading edge of the wing closest to the body is an analog of our arm; the outer part of the leading edge of the wing is actually one of the fingers. In order to make the winf a functioning airfoil, the other "fingers" have atrophied to vestigial status.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:47 pm
by Deepcrush
Minus the Cannon, i liked the Xindi. The different races where fun to watch and i liked how the got along. Like someone one here said before they each had a role to play for their whole race.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:57 pm
by Mikey
I just don't see how you could extrapolate that kind of cooperation among 6 (now 5 - see what I mean?) species all competing for the same lving space (more or less) and resources.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:08 pm
by Granitehewer
the xindi council had mentioned the racial strife of the xindi,in the past, in fact, that was the sorrowful lament of the others regarding the avian xindi, as it were xindi-xindi conflict that were the cause of the extinction which acted as the momentum for the formation of the seemingly represenative and egalitarian yet strained xindi council, and part of what underlined their psyche now

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:08 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Indeed, it would be extremely unlikely.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:28 pm
by Mikey
Exactly my point. As Granitehewer mentioned, the scale of "Xindi-on-Xindi violence" exemplified by the extinction of the avians just shows how what they have is a precarious balance at best, rather than outright long-term cooperation.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:29 pm
by Granitehewer
damn precarious, any council scene illustrates that

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:32 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Indeed. I can imagine that whole planet being spitting distance from killing each other off permanently.
Hmm, maybe that's the reason we never heard of them in any other series? They may have already killed each other off.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:33 pm
by Granitehewer
i wonder if a founder would actually have to expend much effort to cause a civil war on xindi.........

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:34 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Nope, probably very little.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:37 pm
by Granitehewer
for anyone unfamiliar with enterprise, imagine the insectoid, and reptile xindi as rochey, and the aquatic, arboreal and humanoid xindi as teaos, lol!