Darmok
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Re: Darmok
What happens if one person just wants to specifically talk about Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra? Will the other person automatically assume he's citing metaphor and get confused?
“To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and
the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
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the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is
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UT?Nickswitz wrote:I don't think that it was that they we're speaking specifically in metaphor, I thought it was a UT thing, where that's what it got from what he said.
Would have been nice to see more tamarians after that ep know that they can probably comunicate at least at some grade.
I guess that if UFP had troubles comunicating with them, it's the same for everybody else so tamarians may have been a very isolated race until then.
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Handle stressful situations as a dog would: if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and get out of there!!!
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One way that they could have developed them (which I think would have been more plausible) was that they use regular language for basic things, and metaphorical language for abstract and intellectual matters.
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I don't think so because if that were the case then they should be able to choose to use regular lenguage when communicating with other civilizations and they don't do that.Lazar wrote:One way that they could have developed them (which I think would have been more plausible) was that they use regular language for basic things, and metaphorical language for abstract and intellectual matters.
Trata las situaciones estresantes como lo haría 1 perro: si no puedes comértelo o jugar con ello, méate encima y lárgate!!!
Handle stressful situations as a dog would: if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and get out of there!!!
Handle stressful situations as a dog would: if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and get out of there!!!
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He's not suggesting that was the way it was. It's obvious that they didn't get non-metaphorical language at all, which of course begs the question as to where their language even came from to begin with. But that its one way they could have gone with it that might have made them more plausible and less the Ocampa of communication.SomosFuga wrote:I don't think so because if that were the case then they should be able to choose to use regular lenguage when communicating with other civilizations and they don't do that.
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PResumably they had a "proper" language long, long ago, but over time it got replaced with metaphors.
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Kinda like how modern language is being replaced with text-speak.Rochey wrote:PResumably they had a "proper" language long, long ago, but over time it got replaced with metaphors.
Drmk n Jld @ Tanagra.
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Thats a pretty good analogy.
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We'll see if you're still laughing twenty years from now when a doctor asks you "wood U lik 2 termnate lif sprt on ur mom?"
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Fixed. The original had too many letters.Tsukiyumi wrote:We'll see if you're still laughing twenty years from now when a doctor asks you "woodwud Uliklyk 2 termnate lif sprton4 ur mom?"
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There is only one way of avoiding the war – that is the overthrow of this society. However, as we are too weak for this task, the war is inevitable. -L. Trotsky, 1939
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me,myself and I wrote:Fixed. The original had too many letters.Tsukiyumi wrote:We'll see if you're still laughing twenty years from now when a doctor asks you "woodwud Uliklyk 2 termnate lif sprton4 ur mom?"
For some reason, I find that SOOO very disturbing.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
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Re: Darmok
Can we "The river Temarc, in winter" this thread now please?
Darmok TNG episode - Quotes
"Shaka, when the walls fell." (meaning Failure)
"Temba, his arms wide." (meaning Gift, or to Give)
"Mirab, his sails unfurled" (meaning travel)
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered" (understanding, revealing truth)
"Zinda, his face black, his eyes red" (war, violence)
"The river Temarc, in winter" (Stop, cease)
"Kiyazi's children, their faces wet" (death, mourning)
"Uzani, his army with fists open" (to lure the enemy away) - "...with fists closed" (to attack)
"Picard and Dathon at El Adrel" (a new metaphor added to the language at the end of the incident)
"Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk" (Picard's metaphor about ancient Babylonian legends from Earth)
"Rai and Jiri at Lungha. Rai of Luwani, Luwani under two moons. Giri, or Ubaya. Ubaya of crossroads, at Lungha. Lungha, her skies gray" (greeting)
Darmok TNG episode - Quotes
"Shaka, when the walls fell." (meaning Failure)
"Temba, his arms wide." (meaning Gift, or to Give)
"Mirab, his sails unfurled" (meaning travel)
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered" (understanding, revealing truth)
"Zinda, his face black, his eyes red" (war, violence)
"The river Temarc, in winter" (Stop, cease)
"Kiyazi's children, their faces wet" (death, mourning)
"Uzani, his army with fists open" (to lure the enemy away) - "...with fists closed" (to attack)
"Picard and Dathon at El Adrel" (a new metaphor added to the language at the end of the incident)
"Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk" (Picard's metaphor about ancient Babylonian legends from Earth)
"Rai and Jiri at Lungha. Rai of Luwani, Luwani under two moons. Giri, or Ubaya. Ubaya of crossroads, at Lungha. Lungha, her skies gray" (greeting)
“To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and
the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is
to have succeeded.”
the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is
to have succeeded.”
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You translated this, HOW????
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
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Re: Darmok
My UT works better than your Marky Lad
“To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and
the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is
to have succeeded.”
the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is
to have succeeded.”