The Seige Of AR 558

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:57 pm

Okay, you have me there. At least these guys clothe their soldiers!

Second worst military then.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:59 pm

Captain Seafort wrote: *cough*Signsaliens*cough*

Oh jeez, how could I forget those guys? They make Gowron look like Sun Tzu.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:03 pm

Listen, if they can make the movie version Mobile Infantry look well equiped, you know they have to be bad. After all these years I still can't think of a plausable reason for them to invade a planet composed of 70% horrible death to them. Jeez, we could spit at one and kill it.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:08 pm

Rochey wrote:Listen, if they can make the movie version Mobile Infantry look well equiped, you know they have to be bad. After all these years I still can't think of a plausable reason for them to invade a planet composed of 70% horrible death to them. Jeez, we could spit at one and kill it.

Evidently the leadership of the Terran Federation was f*cked in the head. And it's not that the MI wasn't poorly equiped (although they lacked MG's and seemed to be excusively light infantry), it was that they lacked any tactics besides stand around in a mob and shoot. They should have took a leaf from Aliens and nuked the planet from orbit.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:28 pm

The more I see that film, the more convinced I am that the TF were using the Pseudo-Arachnids as a scapegoat. There seems to be no way the bugs could have hit Buenos Ares outside of sheer dumb luck, and, to me, the war seemed so patheticaly run that the only way it made sense was if the government was delibrately extending it. They had complete air and orbital supperiority and they never used it aside from the occasional bombing run.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:47 pm

Rochey wrote:The more I see that film, the more convinced I am that the TF were using the Pseudo-Arachnids as a scapegoat. There seems to be no way the bugs could have hit Buenos Ares outside of sheer dumb luck, and, to me, the war seemed so patheticaly run that the only way it made sense was if the government was delibrately extending it. They had complete air and orbital supperiority and they never used it aside from the occasional bombing run.

That fits in with the view that I've seen in some quarters that the movie is a satire of the military-industrial complex and it's relationship with the government.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:27 pm

I would honestly love to know how you could take a great book and end up with....well, that.

Its as if the director never even read the damn book in the first place.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:30 pm

Rochey wrote:I would honestly love to know how you could take a great book and end up with....well, that.

Its as if the director never even read the damn book in the first place.

Actually I believe he's on record as saying that he only read half-way through and then gave up because he didn't like it. If you have the movie on DVD it might be on the commentaries.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:31 pm

Rochey wrote:I would honestly love to know how you could take a great book and end up with....well, that.

Its as if the director never even read the damn book in the first place.

From what I heard, Verhoeven read it, got half way through, and decided he didn't like Heinlein's politics. So he turned his vaguely Starship Troopers-ish "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9" (or somesuch) into a massively strawmanned parody of the book.

Congratuations on 1k BTW.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:35 pm

What.
The.
Hell?

He read half the book, decided he didn't like it, and made a half-assed, barely related version of it?!? Who the hell sold him the rights to make that movie?!?

1000 posts?
I need a life...

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:39 am

Why would you decide you dont like the book then coose to rewrite it? Idiot.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:40 am

If he didn't like the book he could have just changed some names and he would have had a completely new film. I honestly can't think of any similarities, other than the fact the enemy are insectoid, that couldn't be changed by renaming it.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:46 pm

Back to the seige, all they truly needed was a company of United States Marines, the G"H would crap white where they stood.

Revan · Post by **Revan** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:40 pm

I have wondered about tactics.

In ENT there were MACO's for those sorts of combat operations.

Does Starfleet have a dedicated Marine Corps for that sort of situation? I got the feeling that those Starfleet personnel just got stuck there or something and everybody else was too busy with their own crap to be able to come and assist.

I wonder if projectile weapons would always be effective against Borg drones... I also wonder why Starfleet ships don't keep small stockpiles around in case their phasers are ineffective. I can't think of many situations in which this would happen, but still...

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:47 pm

Starfleet doesn't have a dedicated ground component, Kirk states in TOS that they are a combined service and in the DS9 episode with the Red Squad shutting down Earths power grid, the "troops" on the street corner are simply ships security personell.